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jdmarti1

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I was shopping with my wife yesterday, and we stopped at a little liquidation store.  We hit this place often just to see if you can find a deal.  Well we found one.  I have been saying for about a year I was going to buy the Sams MES - but was worried I might not like it, I have had a stickburner for nearly 20 years, but the electric would be awesome for smaller cooks.  Well sitting there out of its box - but everything inside, and still in its styrofoam and taped packaging was a 20070910.  The price was all of $75.  My wife made me buy it.  Brought it home, put it together and made sure it worked.  Sure enough - this thing has no scratches, and like I said had everthing still wrapped and taped inside.  Only thing missing was the box I will never need.  She convinced me to buy it telling me I could sell it for what I paid for it, and she is probably right.  A couple of questions though.

1.  Has anybody used pellets in their wood chip loader/tray.

2. I have to decide on the AMNPS or the MasterBuilt system - The AMNPS mailbox really reminds me of the Masterbuilt, yet the MB is a little more elegant.  Could I use pellets in the MB one? 

3.  I have never used a digital thermo - but it looks like I will be buying one since the MB temp sensor isn't known to be reliable.  I am looking for a recommendation that is expandable (plan on building a big trailer smoker) - and 2 probes is just too damned small for that.

Thanks in advance

Jack
 
1. I tried pellets in the chip tray and found they burn too fast.

2. AMPS in a mailbox is my weapon of choice. Who wants "elegant" when you can build something better.

3. Redi-Chek ET-73 would be my choice, but when you say "2 probes is just too damned small for that." I'm not sure what to recommend.
 
Originally Posted by Linguica  

2. AMPS in a mailbox is my weapon of choice. Who wants "elegant" when you can build something better.
I have only read one review on the MB attachment, and the one review said it worked very well.  I love something that just works - but works and elegant is even better.  I'm really not sure if pellets are any better than chips - just wondering.  Like I said - I have used splits for nearly 20 years.  This is a whole new world for me.
 
I'm about 90min into my first attempt with the MES  and so far I'm pretty disappointed.  Right now Maverick is telling me the smoker temp is 239 and the MES  says it's 212...  Maverick temps range from 225 - 240 but a couple of times I noticed it was pushing 260 and I went out to discover the chips had ingited and I had to open it up to put the fires out...     I was hoping temps would hold steady with the electric  element but so far it doesn't seem to be the case...  and all I seem to be getting is ugly white smoke...   all in all I'm wishing I had just fired up my old gasser that I know how to work, and saved the money I paid for this thing.   (at least it was cheap)
 
To each congrats on your new MES.

You guys need to spend some time reading back 5 to 10 pages of posts in this electric forum most questions you have get answered.

If buying a Maverick thermometer buy the ET-732, it simply is a no brainer, one probe to monitor inside cabinet temp, the other for meat temp.  Sometimes I use both to monitor inside temps one low & one high.

Most DO NOT use pellets in the MES chip tray assembly.  Buy an AWNPS again you won't be sorry.

CONGRATS on your NEW MES, Making it Easy to Smoke Q!

I post the tips below for newbies, it attempts to answer some of the common questions that are asked, hopefully it helps.

MES New Owner Tips:

Collected from input of many MES owners, some may seem a bit dated due to new MES with higher watt elements but work as a general rule.

• Season it. (Many spray the inside with PAM)
• No extension cords, unless it is 12 ga or heavier.
• Spray your racks with PAM prior to smoke (makes cleanup easier).
• For easier cleanup, use alum foil on the water pan and drain pan.
• Manual says preheating isn't necessary,  preheat, it will make getting up to initial set temp faster, and temp recovery when opening hatch faster.  (These instructions were for older MES units with lower wattage elements,  however the value of preheating applies to all units.) Preheat to 270º.  Cold ambient 45º and colder as long as 2 hours, 1 hour for warmer temps and as little as 30 min. in summer.   Preheating help establish a stable cooking platform without the dramatic temp swings in first hour of smoking. (Experiment with preheating and see if it helps.)
• Add boiling hot water to pan, this will allow you to get up to set temp faster.
• Start the smoke with a few wood chips. The manual says 1 cup max, you will find a hand full is almost too much. 1st chip dump just a few chips 8-10, 15 minutes  later a little more chips 10-12, another 15 minutes 12-15 chips.  This should produce a nice bed of hot ash with good chip combustion.  12-20 chips every 30 minutes should work from this point on. Your goal is TBS (thin blue smoke). When its right you can smell the sweet smoke, it won't smell bitter or be cloudy white. Dark smoke is nothing but awful.

• Many MES owners buy an AWNPS for good smoke lasting 8+ hours, if setup correctly it works great!
• Do not adjust vent leave it wide open.  Unless using the AMNS, (follow AMNS instructions).
• Use external probe for sensing meat internal temp, you can run the probe cord through the exhaust vent. *You may want to run 2nd probe inserted into a wood block or potato with 2” to 3" tip exposed to verify the internal MES cooking temp.  (Newer MES models have the built in probes. verify they are +/- 5º accurate).  I NOW USE a Maverick ET-732, it's great!
• Once your meat is loaded, avoid opening the hatch. New models can recover to set temp faster, but every time you open the door you extend the cooking time. Thus spritzing isn't really necessary in a MES due to the water pan keeping the smoking environment moist enough to not dry out the meat.
• If you do have to open your MES plan your moves so you can keep door open time to a minimum.  (I’ve decided to not stress and plan for open door times by adding 20 minutes per door opening, although best is to keep to absolute minimum).
• When your done cooking, the proper way to shut the MES down is to turn off the controller then unplug.  (Sounds simple but the controller has been known to get stuck if not shut down properly.)
• If your MES seems to struggle getting to either the preheat temp of 270º or is taking extraordinary long times to raise to cooking temps after meat is loaded try doing a RESET..
Proper RESET = cycle the MES off with the controller, unplug electrical cord, count to 10, re-plug electric cord, turn on MES with on/off, reset temps.
If you tried a reset, and 20-30 minutes later there is little change do the reset again.
• Cleanup is easy with a Brillo (or similar) pad to scrub the tough stuff, and throw grates, water & drain pan into dishwasher. Some have complained about the spot welds on the drain pan rusting, I hit those spots with a touch of PAM then store the cleaned stuff back in the MES.
You do not need to clean the inside cabinet, most experienced smokers consider that just seasoning. With a hot wet rag, wipe out the inside bottom and any excessive gunk on the walls. Again with hot damp cloth, wipe the door gasket, and the door frames (for better seal).

Congrats on you new MES purchase, and welcome to the MES owners club.

SMOKE - ON  DUDE
 
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Thanks to you guys on your recommendations.  I have been reading (went to bed about 3am) - I love making good Q.  My original purpose in wanting the MES was for small cooks, and something easier when I didn't want to light a big fire.  My stickburner is showing it's age, and is going to need to be replaced in the next year or two.  I just thought the MES would be great when I wanted something for just the family.  When I light the stickburner I keep it full.  That gets expensive.  I can fit 8 10lb butts in it.  My wife I think really thought a MES would save her money in the long run.  LOL.  I understand no smoke ring with an electric (chemical reaction with meat and fire).  Smoke ring isn't a big deal to me, as I normally do pulled pork.  It's my specialty.  All I care about is flavor and tenderness.  My two biggest critics (wife and little bro) don't like me to do competition style cooks.  They want ribs that the meat falls off of the bone, and pulled pork that would be considered overcooked in a comp (little bro uses a plastic pork to pull it - and says it's tough if he breaks a tine).  Their critiques have served me well.  We won a peoples choice fire fighters comp in a neighboring town.  We thought the locals would win based on the festival being in theie town.  We used pulled pork that literally melted in your mouth to bring home $1000 for the Volunteers here!  We also cook twice a year for our local Masonic Lodge - and have never heard a single complaint!  It's funny how competitions food really isn't what people want isn't it???
 
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I know there will be a learning curve.  That's why I was initially so hesitant to buy one.  I couldn't turn this one down however.  I tried and my wife explained to me just how dumb I was.  She has a knack of making sure I buy things she thinks I want.  I know I will have to throw out most of what I know works because I have been doing things in the same smoker the same way for years.  That's why this forum will be a saving grace.  The exchange of knowledge is a wonderful tool!!!! 

Whoops thought I hit submit on this a few hours ago - damned tabs on FireFox - LOL
 
 
Exactly!!!  Easy to justify a toy for myself at Christmas time when it was that cheap...  LOL
 
 
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