Bears and overnight cooks

Discussion in 'Charcoal Smokers' started by sctdg35, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Most of the time, Johnny!!![​IMG]

    Bear
     
  2. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    MN put out a pretty good list, but Bears are a problem when they get too close too often!!

    Some good info at Minnesota Dept of Natural Resources site for tips on living with bears.

    Bear

    Link removed (no offsite links) by Alesia (SmokinHusker)
     
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  3. Is it legal to shoot them to protect your property?  If so, how about some sort of motion detector light/alarm so that when the bear comes by it turns on a light, wakes you up, you pull out your rifle and fill the freezer. 
     
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  4. raastros2

    raastros2 Smoking Fanatic OTBS Member

    that is a common problem down here isnt it!! i dont consider it a problem though...the more the merrier for this guy
     
  5. raastros2

    raastros2 Smoking Fanatic OTBS Member

    i know its illegal to shoot the black bears that we have in some parts down here....i would imagine its different in every state though
     
  6. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Sorry about that---I thought it was only links to sites that compete with those who have ads here.

    I have posted links to USDA sites. That seemed to be OK.

    As for shooting bears to protect your property, you would be better off saying it was self defense, at the hearing.

    Bear
     
  7. it was my understanding you could take any animals on your own land. at least here in OK i was told by fish & game pretty much your land, your business, unless it was some rare animal theyd have to be notified first. then again you can always use the nuisance animal claim..lol. .......as for the offsite linkage...youre right bear, i read it as it wasnt allowed to be links to sites that compete with ads, and unless there was no other way to show what youre trying to get across to someone, then it might be deleted. i think this has gone a bit far and is taken a little too literal....first this then the link to the MIitary Veterans memorial on the leatherneck thread..whats next...seems kinda stupid,
     
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  8. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    PA may be more strict with hunting laws than many states. I know in order to shoot crop damaging deer you have to contact the Game Commission first, and prove crop damage. Then they give you a special permit. Also if you cry crop damage, and kill deer for that reason, you are no longer allowed to post "No Hunting" on your land. LOLOLOL !!!

    PA may be a Yankee State, but we have some pretty sensible hunting rules.

    Just to name a few:

    No Semi-Auto rifles for Big Game.

    No Steel Jacketed bullets allowed.

    No running dogs for Big Game.

    No baiting Big Game.

    Bear
     
  9. dang thats some serious restriction..im originally from arizona, where its pretty much see it and shoot it..lol. here in OK you can use a semi auto rifle but you cant have more than 5rds. in the clip, which makes sense cuz what does someone need a 30rd clip loaded to the gills to nab a deer for? lol. as for the no hunting sign..lol. thats funny.
     
  10. my kinda thinkin right there!! lol.
     
  11. daveomak

    daveomak Smoking Guru OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    TurnandBurn, morning.....   Sorry you think like that....  This forum is a business....   I think the owner has done a great job providing a place for folks to learn about all things related to smoking foods....   If you personally do not care for the way things are done here, you don't have to stick around.....   There is a disclaimer in the TERMS OF SERVICE.....   I have highlighted it BELOW.....  

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  12. disco

    disco Smoking Guru OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    What Dave Omak said! I love this form.

    Disco
     
  13. i never said the way the forum is operated is STUPID, yeh maybe i couldve used a better word, i have tons of them....im merely bringing something to light, because ive seen links disappear here and there and im left wondering what was posted and left without knowledge..see what im getting at here. i understand theres rules but lets be realistic, this isnt 1930's berlin, ease the throttle back a little. we're all adults. the editing of posts where someone lets an explitive slip, really. censorship? i can play by the rules, trust me, im a great team player...but im not the only one who feels this way. i dont like clicking on a thread and seeing something immediately edited, and im left wondering, sitting here going WTH? what was the link...i like reading too as much as the next guy...now ill never know what links were posted i guess.
     
  14. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    MN put out a pretty good list, but Bears are a problem when they get too close too often!!

    Some good info at Minnesota Dept of Natural Resources site for tips on living with bears.

    Bear

    Link removed (no offsite links) by Alesia (SmokinHusker)

    In case anyone's interested, The OP said the following:

    Originally Posted by sctdg35  [​IMG]

    Well from the kind of responses I'm going to assume there is no real answer . Thought I would have found someone that had an answer but I guess there is none .

    The link that was removed was to the "Minnesota Dept of Natural Resources", which contained tips on living with Bears, such as garbage disposal, cleaning your grill, etc, etc. I don't think any sponsors are competing with the Minnesota Dept of Resources, but rules are rules. My Bad for thinking such an official Dept would be similar to USDA when it comes to dealing with Wildlife, such as Bears.

    Bear
     
  15. daveomak

    daveomak Smoking Guru OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Soooooo,  

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  16. I would like to apologize right up front to the OP for the hijacking of his thread. 

    Since I deleted the link in this thread and the other link being referred to by TurnandBurn, I'll go ahead and state my thoughts on this. 

    Generally before I edit an off site link from a post, I go to the website to see exactly what it is about. I did that with the MN DNR link and included an explanation of what the link referred to. I did the same with the Military Veterans Memorial link. No where does it say I have to take this extra step, but I do and obviously it is not appreciated, I will stop adding the explanation and I will just delete the off site links that are not permitted to be posted here - no explanation and no indication that I deleted it. 

    I will agree with Dave Omak, if a member does not like the way the forum is being moderated, then by all means you have the freedom to leave it. 

    I won't waste everyone's time and space here by re-posting the Terms of Service, but I have linked it for anyone that wants to refresh themselves with the updated version. It does specifically address the editing of off site links, editing of posts and this is a Family Friendly Forum. Furthermore, ALL Moderator and Admin decisions are FINAL. 

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  17. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Sctdg35,

    Maybe this will help. This is where the "removed" link would have taken you. Sorry for the delay & my unintentional Hijacking.

    Only trying to help.

    Bear

    Homes & cabins


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    Bears in town usually cause problems for people.

    Bears are attracted to homes and cabins by garbage and bird feeders. Pet food, charcoal grills, fruit trees and gardens may also attract bears. Once a bear finds food around your home it will likely return.

    Never feed bears--They will associate people with food and may become a problem.

    To minimize bear problems on your property:


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    Bird feeders and bears DON'T MIX.
    • Reduce garbage odors. Rinse food cans and wrappers before disposal.
    • Compost vegetable scraps.
    • Keep meat scraps in your freezer until garbage pickup day.
    • Wash garbage cans regularly and use lime to cut odors.
    • Keep garbage cans in a bear-proof container or in a garage until the morning of pickup.
    • Remove bird feeders in the spring. If you persist in feeding birds during the summer, remove seed, suet, and hummingbird feeders at night.
    • Keep pet food inside.
    • Keep barbecue grills and picnic tables clean.
    • Use an energized fence* to keep bears out of beehives, sweet corn, fruit trees and berry patches. Barking dogs, bright lights and noisemakers will sometimes discourage bears from coming into an area.
    *An energized fence is powered by a low-impedance, high-voltage energizer which provides a short-duration, high-energy impulse.

    If a bear comes into your yard:


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    Bears in trees should be left alone.
    • Don't panic! Don't shoot! Don't approach it!
    • Learn to tolerate bears. Many bears are killed or injured when not causing problems.
    • Most bears fear people and will leave when they see you. If a bear woofs, snaps its jaws, slaps the ground or brush, or bluff charges, you are too close!
    • Back away slowly.
    • Go inside and wait for the bear to leave.

    If a bear refuses to leave:

    • Make loud noises or throw something to scare it away.
    • Always allow the bear an escape route.

    If the bear is treed:

    • Leave it alone! The bear will usually go away when it feels safe.
    • Have people leave the area.
    • Remove your dog from the area.
    Learn to tolerate bears. Many bears are killed or injured when not causing problems.
     
  18. There doesn't seem to be any real methods of solving the problem. You might leave a few lights on outside as well as a radio, but I'd have bear spray if not a big caliber hand gun. 

    If all else fails, you could always smoke it hot and fast. 
     
  19. i trolled around bearsmart and didnt know they have that many things for bear deterrents...they have a 55 gallon drum that will lure bears in and when they stick their face in there it will shoot them in the face............with pepper spray of course..lol. as to teach them to never come back... they even make electrified mats that you can lay outside that when stepped on by a bear or any animal for that matter will give them a jolt of unwelcomeness..who thinks of these things?
     
  20. Now you may be onto something with the mat (in Alaska people put a log or other object they can drive nails into in front of the doors of cabins when they are vacant for a time). Something similar might work around a smoker, that one could fairly easily remove for their convenience.
     

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