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Just had an interesting thought. We have an outside light. Wonder if one of those screw in outlets would work ?
It may work, but I wouldn't recommend it. Possible fire hazard.
Chris
Just had an interesting thought. We have an outside light. Wonder if one of those screw in outlets would work ?
I'm just being curious and not argumentative at all...Electronics school was 35 years ago but since when did a properly Grounded appliance in a properly Grounded outlet become so dangerous to operate that you need a GFI? Especially an Indoor appliance like a refer, dishwasher, drier or freezer. Thanks...JJ
I'm just being curious and not argumentative at all...Electronics school was 35 years ago but since when did a properly Grounded appliance in a properly Grounded outlet become so dangerous to operate that you need a GFI? Especially an Indoor appliance like a refer, dishwasher, drier or freezer. Thanks...JJ
I ran smoker up to around 400 for 30 mins on non gfi. Immediately after plugging into gfi, it tripped again. My smoker does not have electrical boxes, just a heating unit that plugs into the heating element. Its like the plug in element on an electric skillet. I guess that means I can not run it off the gfi. Do any new electric smokers work with new gfi's ? :)
It may work, but I wouldn't recommend it. Possible fire hazard.
Chris
My basic understanding is for commercial use then yes. Home use then no. Outlets near a water source area big yes.
I don't own a MES, but can they really reach 400*? I thought 275/280* was the max.
Chris
lol. Dang, saw your list below. First month we had smoker, wife did the bacon weave on a fattie. Good eating there :) Gonna have to get something going now, been too long.
This will be my last comment on this thread unless specifically asked for further information. Per 210.8(A)(3), all 15A and 20A, 125V receptacles outside of a dwelling unit, including receptacles installed under the eaves of roofs, shall be GFCI-protected. The only exception to this rule is that GFCI protection is not required for fixed electric snow melting or de-icing equipment receptacles that are not readily accessible and are supplied by a dedicated branch circuit in accordance with 426.28. ...and state and local agencies can and often do, add to this requirement.
Cheers...
...Atoparok
Don't leave us now. A well balanced non-confrontational discussion benefits all of us(especially those of us who are lacking in the electrical knowledge department - meaning me). I agree that all outside receptacles need to be GFCI. I was only pointing out that interior receptacles used for appliances such as refrigerators don't have to be. At least in VT. Which by the way is one of the biggest nanny states in the country. I'm learning allot from your input/insight.
Chris
Couldn't agree more with your statements. Also I had to look up AFCI, as I've never even heard of that one before. Sounds like a real PITA. This is why I like my WSM. It's fool proof and basic.
Chris
I realize I'm only a "newbie", but recommending one to operate an outdoor appliance without GFCI protection is bad practice. I'm certain Masterbuilt, or any other manufacturer, would agree. I couldn't agree with that advise...
...Atoparok
This will be my last comment on this thread
Man, am I glad I own a WSM. No electrics f@rt around with. Especially since I'm not very electrically inclined.
Chris
So,,today I got some 12 gauge romex and plug ends. The romex is thinner than my big extension cord so it does fit and allows door to close. It is a little snug. I know you are not supposed to bend like I did but in all honesty, I have seen worse in some houses. Ran it for about 2 hours, cords stayed cool and no breakers popped :) Wife has approved. Cloudy and breezy, had a tough time trying to get to 400f. View attachment 378257 View attachment 378258 View attachment 378259
Just be very careful Larry.
NM is solid core wire, so bending it, or dragging it around can cause problems. Keep things dry.
And enjoy some Smoking Meat.
Be safe!
I did not recommend he do that. Maybe reading comprehension is not a strong suit with you? I stated that if it was me, I would run it. But then, having 42 years in the electrical trades, I do have a sense for what I'm doing.
And as a contractor, maybe troubleshooting is not a forte for you either. :confused::rolleyes:
1) He already found that using a non-GFI circuit the unit works fine. So it is NOT his MES30 at fault. It is the GFI, and the newer lower tripping levels of 125 ma sensed ground currant. (Go look at one, I'll wait....)
If his MES was at fault, it would trip any circuit, or burst into flames.
2) My advice to him is solid. But then, you are not the first code worm I've come across in my time. I actually fired one in Wyoming. But he refused to work, and was drinking on the job. Neither acceptable in the electrical field. I was asked to keep an eye on him as a new Electrical Foreman, and he virtually terminated himself. A Licensed Master Electrician. Scoff...
3) I have more qualifications in the Electrical fields than I need bore everyone with. Including a California State License in HAVC and above. Certified to work on any system in the State. Yawn....
Then you rattle on for two more posts. But wait, there's more.....
I would caution you when pecking around my toes, I ware big boots and have squashed other banty roosters in my day.
Have a nice smoke.;)