LOL, I never thought about my avatar when I asked him how it was doing. A guy at work says it takes 8 hours to do a brisket. That is how long he always cooks his. He uses a charcoal grille, a 55-gal drum one you can buy at the store for like $80. I told him no, you go by temp and no 2 are the same. LOL, but he did take up for me to everyone that makes fun of my "upside down brisket". He told them "what if everyone that has always done it fat side up is worng, and someone figured out that fat side down is right?". He thinks outside the box mostly, like I do.