i bought Jeff's recipe today...it is pretty darn awesome. I threw it on some yardbird as I figured the somewhat delicate flavor of the chicken would give me a good idea on how to tweak it for my tastes and/or whatever protein that I'm tossing it on. It contained the same ingredients that my rub has, but he is right when he says it's mostly in the procedure for throwing it together. I never took notes or wrote down my recipe, which is why my rub isn't anywhere near as good as Jeff's even though ingredients are the same. I can't wait to put some on a rack or two of ribs! I have yet to try the sauce recipe...it'll probably be a week or two to get the ingredients together with all the hours I've been workin. Anyway, great job Jeff, your recipe was well worth the $! Thx for sharing!