Expert Advice needed

Discussion in 'Pork' started by jmedic25, Nov 14, 2007.

  1. jmedic25

    jmedic25 Meat Mopper OTBS Member

    I would like to start a thread on how to cook pork ribs ,baby, or spare without using foil. I love the 3-2-1 method and have achieved very good results. I have read other posts out there that suggest the "purest form" produces better ribs. Lets discuss time and temp and opinions. Also is is true that in a competition setting fall of the bone tender is a criteria for Disqualification? Enlighten me oh great ones!!
     
  2. gypsyseagod

    gypsyseagod Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    from what i read & hear- fall off the bone is not a disqualification but is considered overdone.now as far as just "pure smoking" ribs...go light on anything sugary as far as rubs,sprits or sauceuntil the last hour or so(in my opinion-depending on the heat). go low heat- 225-250 & maybe spin or turn(flip ends-not sides) often. like anything else.. it just takes practice.
     
  3. walking dude

    walking dude Smoking Guru SMF Premier Member

    gsg.....he was asking for a EXPERTS opinion.........

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    pssst......thats what you get for not taking my appointment for that lite oil massage
     
  4. dutch

    dutch Smoking Guru Staff Member Administrator Group Lead OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Justin, I've done ribs without the foil-I smoked them at 250* for about 4 hours. I check for doneness by lifting the rack from the end with tongs-this will cause the rack to bend. When the surface of the ribs (meat-side up) begins to show signs of tearing then they are done.
     
  5. fat sal

    fat sal Fire Starter

    Hi there:

    I've never done ribs with foil on the pit. Not because I think foiling is bad, but because I tend to try and simplify things in my life.

    I've only smoked spares, because I like them better than BBs. My process is as follows:
    - Remove membrane.
    - Rub with yellow mustard and dust with rub. I do this just before I fire-up the pit. I (IMO) haven't found much benefit in rubbing the night before. My preferred rub is Magic Dust. The recipe is listed in Peace, Love and Barbecue. It rocks!
    - I put the cold racks on the cold pit--rather than letting them come to room temp or waiting for the pit to hit temps first. I read a post by (I believe) Jim Minion in another forum, and (again, if my memory is correct) he recommended putting the meat on cold and taking your time letting the pit come up to temp. Apparently, this facilitates a good smoke ring.
    - Then I pretty much leave it alone; except to make sure that the pit doesn't exceed 275ºF (although I prefer 250ºF).
    - After about four or four and a half hours, I start peeking. When the meat starts pulling back from the end of the rib bones and/or I can pull two ribs apart with just a bit of resistance, I know that I'm finished. Usually between five and six hours of total pit time.
    - I typically sauce when I pull the ribs off the pit. I may try saucing for the last thirty minutes some time, just to experiment.

    I should mention that I do, typically, foil the ribs after I take them off the pit and put them in a towel-lined cooler for 30-60 minutes of rest. But I don't consider this mandatory. Taste some before; taste some after--and decide which is best.

    Hope that helps. This is just one man's opinion/experience. Others' will likely differ, and theirs will be just as valid.

    Smoke on,
    Sal
     
  6. msmith

    msmith Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    I do about the same as Dutch. I buy the loin back ribs from sam's club because they have a lot more meat on them. First thing is to pull the membrane off then I soak them in apple juice around 3-4 hrs. Put a light coat of mustard on them and then coat with Jeff's rib rub. I usually run the smoker between 230-250* and smoke unfoiled the whole time. After the first 2 hrs I will spray them with apple juice about every 45 min.
     
  7. fatback joe

    fatback joe Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Yeah, you don't get disqualified for fall off the bone, but you sure won't score well.

    Pretty much like everyone else said..........keep the temp under control and don't burn them up, when they "flop" they are done. You need to control the amount of smoke also since they are not getting the couple hours of protection in the foil they are easier to oversmoke..........keep it thin and blue the best you can and you will be fine.

    Here is a pic of the flop test.........probably have seen it or already know of it, but here you go if not.

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  8. ron50

    ron50 Master of the Pit OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    NY
    I don't foil anymore either. I have also found I get better pull back at 250 degrees then at 225. I also have found that the 2-2-1 for baby back ribs is much longer then it needs, unless you want the meat falling off the bones.

    When I apply sauce it is during the last 10 minutes.
     
  9. jmedic25

    jmedic25 Meat Mopper OTBS Member

    What is an ideal weight rack of ribs in ya'll opionin? I did 3 lb loin backs the other day. I almost thought they were to meaty. If that is possible they were still very good.
     
  10. fatback joe

    fatback joe Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    The general rule is the smaller the better with the line of thinking being that the smaller ribs come from smaller pigs........smaller pigs are younger pigs.........younger pigs have more tender meat.

    BBs, try to stay under 1 1/4 lbs if you are wanting "true" babybacks. For untrimmed spares, I try to stay under 4lbs.
     
  11. mavadakin

    mavadakin StickBurners

    i have to agree to ron50 ..no foil needed ..a slightly higher temp ..and no way 2/2/1..maybe 3 1/2 to 4 hours tops....if your using sauce ..give it time to glaze...mike
     

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