What is the issue with Nitrates?

Discussion in 'Bacon' started by pyro50, Oct 6, 2011.

  1. roller

    roller Smoking Guru SMF Premier Member

    I nuk most of my bacon and I bet it does not get to 600* if 600* is a problem all the time or any of the time...I agree with Todd ! By the way didn`t you know that everything causes cancer !!! Just think about all those cemicals that hog ate before it died....Think any of those cause cancer...I have never seen in the news that anyone died from eating bacon cured with TQ...
     
  2. michael ark

    michael ark Master of the Pit

    [​IMG]Their is no post what happened?Did someone disagree.It's back now.[​IMG]
     
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  3. chefrob

    chefrob Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    az

    i think it was on another thread........"cure"
     
  4. michael ark

    michael ark Master of the Pit

    No something happened 1 of bears post is M.I.A.
     
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  5. tjohnson

    tjohnson Smoking Guru Staff Member Moderator Insider OTBS Member SMF Premier Member


    Yes, it was a different thread.......

    I have no dog in this fight, and don't plan on entering one....EVER!!

    I personally use cure #1 or a variation of, but have used TQ in the past.  I switched because I needed a lower salt form of curing, not because of what's inside a box of TQ. 

    As I see it, if Mortons Cure was a danger to consumers, the U.S Government would have made Mortons pull their products off the shelves by now.  In addition, attorneys would be taking names and lining customers up for a class action lawsuit against Mortons.  Since neither of these has happened yet, my personal opinion is that Morton's Products are safe for me and my family to use.

    Many times the U.S. Government will come out with a warning, and then relax or change it later.  I threw out the fish example, because fish have nobody to lobby for them in congress.  The animal industry is full of lobbyist's who persuade our politicians to believe their opinions are best.  It's just about as corrupt as it can be, and still be marginally legal.

    Keep-In-Mind, that this is my "Personal Opinion" and "My Opinion Only".  It is not based on any U.S. Government facts or statistics.

    Todd
     
  6. alblancher

    alblancher Master of the Pit Group Lead OTBS Member

    Mercury was mentioned so I will use it as an example  We have a serious problem with this heavy metal down here from gas well monitoring devices leaking into the waterways.  Mercury is a poison that affects the nervous system and its development, much like lead poisoning.  Some fresh water ponds and lakes have warnings not to eat any fish caught in the pond because of abnormally high mercury levels.  Many (the majority) will have warnings to limit the consumption of certain species of fish depending on where they are in the food chain and the amount of toxin present in the soils and water column.  Usually men and non-pregnant women can eat the species in question weekly.  Often children and pregnant women or women hoping to have children are warned to not eat the affected fish at all. 

    Our population is a tremendous mix of races with different genetic makeups and differing susceptibility to outside environmental influences.  IF we believe that cancers and diseases can be "turned on" by external environmental influences then it is the obligation of the USDA and Health Departments to make that information available and to make recommendations as to exposure levels.   If we can reduce the chance of a baby being born with and trying to live with neurological damage by simply limiting their exposure to mercury it just seems like a no brainer to me to make and follow these recommendations.  If we can reduce the possibility of a person developing cancer by following some simple rules it makes some sense to me.

    Please remember that 30 years ago nitrates and nitrites where pervasive in our food supply.  Foods from wine to luncheon meat where loaded with these chemicals.  The direct link to cancer is still in question, but to those susceptible to these potential carcinogens their consumption can cause long term health problems. 

    Many of you chose to ignore the recommendations, I understand, I seldom wear a seat belt, my choice, but we all know that we are taking a risk with our health by making these decisions.  I just ask that you do not try to convince other, less informed readers, that your acceptable risks should be their acceptable risk.   

    Al
     
  7. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    I'll risk it----Exactly!

    Bear
     
  8. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Another very good thread---Thanks Al !

    Bear
     
  9. michael ark

    michael ark Master of the Pit

    Then why do 2 people say your name in post 15&16 and your not on here till 20 or 21?[​IMG]
     
  10. tjohnson

    tjohnson Smoking Guru Staff Member Moderator Insider OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Al,

    I recently watched a program, where the U.S. Government and it's experts were discussing exposure to mercury by eating fish.  Since our bodies cannot dispose of many heavy metals like lead and mercury, the effects are cumulative.  A child who eats contaminated fish will accumulate more mercury over his/her lifetime, than a middle age man or woman.  It was eye opening to me!!

    Here's my point.....

    It's a "Warning" and not a "Ban"

    It's up to the individual to make an educated decision, as to eat potentially hazardous fish.

    I could not tell you if the amount of potentially hazardous nitrates in a slice of bacon is more or less than the naturally occurring  nitrates in piece of celery.  I just can't find the data that compares the two.  Am I being ignorant?....No, I Honestly Just Don't Know.

    Does this mean we should stop eating celery or other green vegetables?....NO!

    I also believe that any unnecessary processing of food is what's causing many of the health issues we have today.  It's taken a heart attack and 5 stents to finally figure out that I've been killing myself with processed foods for 47 years!!

    Did your point hit home?.....YES!

    TJ
     
  11. fpnmf

    fpnmf Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Fl
    Gee... wearing a seat belt in La is not a choice or a recommendation...it is a law!!

    http://www.ghsa.org/html/stateinfo/bystate/la.html

    http://www.lsp.org/pdf/troopcseatbelt.pdf

    Have a great day!!

      Craig
     
     
  12. alblancher

    alblancher Master of the Pit Group Lead OTBS Member

    There again my choice.  But I wouldn't try to convince you or anyone else not to wear your seat belt.  It isn't illegal to smoke in your own home.  Would you try to get someone to start smoking cigarettes or dipping or chewing stogies?  

    I suggest we defer to published safety guidelines when making public comments on this forum

    I believe in

       the 4 hour Rule

       cooking to proper internal temperature

       following safe food handling procedures

       and using the proper cure with the proper procedure
     
  13. smokinal

    smokinal Smoking Guru Staff Member Moderator OTBS Member ★ Lifetime Premier ★

    I think what Al said here pretty much says it all.

    "I believe in

       the 4 hour Rule

       cooking to proper internal temperature

       following safe food handling procedures

       and using the proper cure with the proper procedure"
     
  14. roller

    roller Smoking Guru SMF Premier Member

    Yes one of Bear`s post is M.I.A.   !!!!!!!!!!
     
  15. smokinal

    smokinal Smoking Guru Staff Member Moderator OTBS Member ★ Lifetime Premier ★

    UH OH Bad Bear!
     
  16. michael ark

    michael ark Master of the Pit

    I personal think we have way too many laws.That they say is for your own good is B.S.I am a grown man i can make decisions for myself and live with my choices good or bad.We need to get back to the ten commandment's and the Constitution.God bless[​IMG]America land of the somewhat free and home of the brave.[​IMG][​IMG]
     
  17. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Bad Bear?

    You guys should know better than that by now.

    Bear
     
  18. fpnmf

    fpnmf Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Fl
    There again my choice.  But I wouldn't try to convince you or anyone else not to wear your seat belt.  It isn't illegal to smoke in your own home.  Would you try to get someone to start smoking cigarettes or dipping or chewing stogies?  

    I suggest we defer to published safety guidelines when making public comments on this forum

    Huh???
     
  19. danmcg

    danmcg Master of the Pit OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    How the hell can a simple fact based discussion turn into the same old two sided pissin match?

    This get's old sometimes.
     

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