I found a used MeadowCreek 120 for $2000. I was looking hard at Lang and Shirley Fabrication but this fell into my lap. It is local so that would see me a lot of driving or shipping costs. It also has the insulated firebox and stainless shelf. So the question is the used Meadow creek or a new Shirley? If I was going new this wouldn't be a question Shirley all the way. Just don't know anything about the Meadowcreeks except they use 3/16th cook chamber and 1/4 on the box. Paint inside and out for some reason. And use stainless steel shelves which is nice. Just don't know how they cook and hold temps.