Salmon

Discussion in 'UK Smokers' started by joro, Jul 5, 2016.

  1. joro

    joro Newbie

    Hi Guys

    Can anyone offer advice on cold smoking salmon, I have looked at various books and the times vary from 1 hour to 24 hours.

    I have the salmon curing now and intend smoking on Friday
     
  2. Hello and Welcome.  I can't help with this one.  Wade is the fish smoking man here.  I am sure he will but if he doesn't chime in soon look him up at the link below.  "RATTLE HIS CAGE"  ( he is getting older and dozes off now and then  [​IMG]  ) and send him a private message and ask him to look at your Thread.  You will see that option on the left side of his personal page.  Send him the link to your thread in the PM.  He will sort you out.  Hope it goes well.  Keep Smokin!

    Danny

    http://www.smokingmeatforums.com/u/67180/wade
     
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2016
  3. wade

    wade Master of the Pit OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Thanks for the intro Danny [​IMG]

    Hi Jo

    What kind of smoked salmon are you looking to produce and what equipment do you currently have?

    Smoked Salmon can mean different things to different people. Are you looking for a traditional sliced smoke salmon, a smoked salmon fillet to cook or something like Gravadlax? 

    I usually smoke my traditional salmon as salmon halves and then thinly slice them. You can smoke ready filleted sides of salmon though. It is important to ensure that the salmon is as fresh as possible and that it still has the skin on. You are looking to cure (preserve) the salmon using a combination of techniques 1) increasing the salt content 2) reducing the moisture content 3) using the smoke as a mild antibacterial. The important two are the salt and the moisture reduction. The smoke has more to do with flavouring.

    It is prepared in 2 stages:

    Firstly the salt is added and used to begin removing the moisture. This can be done in a metal tray lined with clingfilm. Simply make a 50:50 mix of salt and caster sugar and liberally coat both sides of the fish. Place it on a wire rack in the fridge for 24 hours. After 24 hours you will find that a large amount of water has collected in the bottom of the tray.

    Rinse off the fish under running water to remove any remaining cure and pat dry with kitchen towel.

    Secondly you need to place it in your cold smoker with plenty of air flow so that the fish takes on flavour for the smoke and continues to lose moisture. This will take a further 24 hours. By the end of the smoke the fish should have reduced in weight by about 18% due to the water loss and will have taken on a sheen.

    Place in the fridge for several hours (or overnight) before slicing.

    If you would like to see a step by step them you can look here

    http://www.smokingmeatforums.com/t/237224/smoking-fish-an-old-dog-can-still-learn-new-tricks

    If you would like to go into more detail then please let me know.

    Cheers

    Wade
     
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2016
  4. [​IMG]   Hello Wade!  I knew you would be around soon buddy.  Just had to get that early afternoon nap out of the way and you are good to go for another hour or so before the mid afternoon nap.  [​IMG]

    There you go Jo.  Wade knows his stuff.  His smoked salmon is a favourite with my missus.  Can't go wrong with his instructions.  Keep Smokin!

    Danny
     
  5. joro

    joro Newbie

    Hi Wade

    Thanks for the informing

    I have a Bradley smoker  which we have built a cold smoking kit for.

    We have making gravadlax for some time and that seems to work OK

    What I was confused about was the amount of time to actually cold smoke as I had seen various times mentioned but you have cleared that up

    Will let you know how we get on

    Thanks
     
  6. wade

    wade Master of the Pit OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    That is great. The important thing is to get the water content down. You can regulate the smokiness by using different woods and different times exposed to the smoke. If you don't like it too smoky, after you have smoked it for a while you can even leave it in the smoker without smoke (but with good air flow) until you achieve your weight loss.
     
  7. joro

    joro Newbie

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    Hi Wade

    Sorry for the delay in replying to you, work interrupted.

    I followed you advice and the salmon turned out beautiful.

    We smoked for about 20 hours using apple  and when it had rested sliced very thinly.

    Once put out for people it disappeared very quickly.

    Thanks again for your help
     
  8. wade

    wade Master of the Pit OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    That is great Jo. [​IMG]  Did you take any photos?
     
  9. smokin monkey

    smokin monkey Master of the Pit Group Lead OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Yeah Wade knows his Salmon!
     
  10. steve johnson

    steve johnson Smoke Blower

    Uk
    Just having a go at some smoked salmon managed to achieve a 14% weight loss after brining & smoking for 24 hrs hrs is this ok or would you try for a bit more
     
  11. wade

    wade Master of the Pit OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Looking good Steve. No that will be fine. It depends on the water content of the salmon at the beginning. If it was previously frozen then it will have already lost ~3% as it thawed before you even added the cure. If it was bought fresh then the original moisture content may have already been reduced from it sitting uncovered on the fishmongers slab for a few hours. The 18% loss is what you aim for from fillets that have been freshly removed from a whole fresh fish.

    The skewer technique works well for hanging the fillets doesn't it [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Apr 21, 2017
  12. steve johnson

    steve johnson Smoke Blower

    Uk
    ah ok wade ill take it out now then, thanks for the prompt reply 
     
  13. sotv

    sotv Smoke Blower

    Looks good, I did a couple of sides for the first time, just before Easter and found the finished flavour gets even better if left to rest for 2-3 days before eating after the initial smoke. Straight from the smoker it just tasted of strong oak smoke for me. But that subsided after 48-72 hours and the fish and marinade shone through.

    Also I found 1 inch of either end of the side, the fish was much moister as the ends seemed to be very dry and smoky even after the resting period. Thought I had ruined my salmon because of this, but realised I hadn't once I got to this part of the salmon side...

    These points may be relevant to just me but may be of help if you come across the same situation as me?
     
  14. steve johnson

    steve johnson Smoke Blower

    Uk
    I think I need a master class in slicing at the smoking weekend wade :drool
     
    Last edited: Apr 21, 2017
  15. wade

    wade Master of the Pit OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Steve - that does not look half bad. A great first attempt. [​IMG]  

    The main difference to the way I slice mine is that you have taken straight slices across the fillet - which results in thin cross section slices. If you were to slice along the fillet angling back to the tail then you would end up with the larger "D" slices that you often see commercially.


    I am planning on bringing a couple of salmon sides to the meet. You can have a go then if you have not mastered it already.
     
  16. steve johnson

    steve johnson Smoke Blower

    Uk
    Cheers wade I see where I went wrong :yahoo:
     
  17. steve johnson

    steve johnson Smoke Blower

    Uk
    That could be not enough air flow through the smoker I Jerry rigged a PC fan up to induce airflow something wade reccomend way back in the mists of time. It does need doing properly one day but it works ok
     

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