just got off of the phone with a butcher we have here in town. Asking about a WHOLE shoulder......once again, these guys are talking BUTTS. He said, USDA does NOT sell them WHOLE. Just seperated. Told me i would have to prob. go to a locker to find one. Anyone else having problems finding a WHOLE shoulder. Butt and picnic combined????? was thinking about getting a picnic. Having @ 9 or so folks for my second birthday feast sunday. How big a picnic would i need. I don't know, personally, how big the bone gets in weight on a picnic, as it will be my first one.