Newbie needs help on smokers masterbuilt gen 1 or gen 2???

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  1. Gen 1 20070910

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  1. dpdguns

    dpdguns Newbie

    Newbie needs help I want to get my first smoker amazon has Gen 1 Masterbuilt 20070910 30-Inch $149 and Gen 2 Masterbuilt 20070213 30-Inch for $219 which is a better beginner smoker I see reviews all over the place. I see problems with gen2 to starting on fire. I don't want to waste my money so any help is appreciated.
     
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2015
  2. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Get the Gen #1----You'll be Happy with it.

    Stay away from the Gen #2.

    Bear
     
  3. daricksta

    daricksta Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    I own the Gen 1 and am totally happy with it. And I paid more for it than you're going to.
     
  4. dpdguns

    dpdguns Newbie

    Just bought the Gen 1 I figured for $149 with free shipping can't really go wrong. I just wish they had more than a 90 day warranty. Its pretty cold here in Mi so not sure how much smoking I will be doing in the next month or two.
     
  5. DPDguns, Welcome. Bear gave you great advice on your choice. You might think about stopping by roll call and introducing yourself to the forum. Your smoker will work well in temps down to the 20's. I am a fair weather smoker but the amount of time you need to stay with it is minimal. Quick trips outside to add chips will give you a sense of smoking. Season your smoker and get it ready so you fully understand the controller. My first time I missed the part about programing the time. 

    Find your self a nice rack of st Louis style ribs ( they are the easiest) for the first time. Sign up for Jeff's 5 day cooking school. It has lots of great info and is free. Knowledge is power so suck it up. 

    Get you ribs ready and try to get them on by 11am they will be done by dinner. 

    Report back on your results. We want you to succeed. Ask questions we all had them.

                                                                              Good smoking and Good Luck
     
  6. I was just about to post a new thread wondering if the amazon price was a good deal and if the MES30 gen 1 was a good machine.

    I'm not new to smoking...I've got a homemade plywood smoker with a northern tool propane burner that has treated me well the past few years but its big and as the wife says "looks like an outhouse on our deck"....was thinking of downsizings... I smoke mostly back bacon, wings, bacon, pulled pork....is this a set it and forget it? that's the only thing I'm missing...mind you my homemade smoker isn't that bad to control the heat..I usually check it every 20-30mins.

    What do you guys think? how much smoke time do you get until you need to reload?

    I'm also planning on getting a weber 22.5 charcoal....would both of these items be a perfect match?

    Sbishop
     
  7. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    You want "Set-it & forget it"????

    Then you need an MES Gen #1, and an AMNPS, and a Digital wireless Thermometer set.

    Then you can load the AMNPS & light it, set your MES to temp, put your meat in & let it smoke with perfect smoke for up to 11 hours without touching anything.

    Bear
     
  8. Bearcarver..thanks for the reply

    what I meant was a set the temperature and forget it :)..compared to what I have now!

    looks like the MES30 Gen1 is a good smoker....now the AMNPS...is it really needed?

    how long of a burn would you get from a MES30...does it hold lots of wood?

    Thanks for all the help.
     
  9. dave from mesa

    dave from mesa Meat Mopper SMF Premier Member

    What Bear said.

    Don't know how big the chip holder is on the 30 but my 40 will only allow about 20 min of smoke till I have to reload it. Now I have the AMNPS and don't worry about it.
     
  10. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    I wouldn't want to smoke without my AMNPS-----Been using mine for over 4 years.

    It goes for about 11 hours on a full load of wood pellets (Hickory).

    Here is a link:

    http://www.amazenproducts.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=AMNPS5X8

    Bear
     
  11. daricksta

    daricksta Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    A Weber 22.5 charcoal...what? Smokey Mountain? If so, not sure why you'd need two smokers. I own a Weber 22.5" One Touch Silver charcoal kettle grill so that's why I'm asking the questions.
     
  12. I would like to have a charcoal bbq.....no charcoal from a mes30 or am I missing something? :)
     
  13. daricksta

    daricksta Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Are you talking charcoal bbq as in a smoker or a kettle grill that most people call a bbq? On SMF, barbecue refers to low and slow cooking over wood smoke. Cooking on a kettle or a propane gill is grilling.

    But anyway, for BBQ purists, the advantages of using a charcoal smoker over an electric smoker are: 1. It saves on electric and propane charges. 2. You can get a smoke ring with charcoal but not with an electric smoker. Most of us who own a MES are OK with no smoke rings because they're cosmetic anyway.

    The main disadvantage with using a charcoal smoker would be the necessity for refilling it with charcoal during long smokes. I don't know how long a load of charcoal would last in a WSM but I've read they last many hours longer at full heat than in a grill. But still, there's going to a temp drop when the briquettes are burning out, when you need to open the door to toss in a new batch, and until the new briquettes catch fire and turn red-hot white. But the WSM is highly rated and extremely popular.

    Of course, this entire comment has been superfluous if you were talking about a charcoal kettle grill.

    Almost forgot: here's another vote for the AMNPS. I never use wood chips anymore. The AMNPS works as advertised.
     
    Last edited: Jan 19, 2015
  14. DaRicksta,

    I should have been more clear, weber charcoal for grilling steak and burgers (we call that bbq, eh!) 

    I'm wondering if the AMNPS would work with the fine chips I have? the chips are about 1/4"X1/4" by 1/16" thick...I get them from my uncles sawmill.

    DPDguns, sorry if I took over your thread....

    Sbishop
     
  15. daricksta

    daricksta Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Sbishop, I used to grilling BBQ before I bought my smoker and joined this forum.

    I gotta say that I love my Weber One Touch Silver more than my MES. I really enjoy smoking meat but there's just something about cooking on a charcoal grill that's like nothing else.

    The AMNPS was designed for wood pellets and dust. The best persons to ask if those chips of yours would work are Todd Johnson, who invented and sells the AMNPS, and Bearcarver, who did the testing and QC for Todd in the MES 30. If neither one responds in this thread you can PM them through SMF or you can contact Todd here: http://www.amazenproducts.com/default.asp

    Todd's a great guy and he responds very quickly to PMs and emails. He'll be able to recommend what's best for your setup. I bought my AMNPS from him and continue to buy wood pellets (I only use his) and other things from his site. He and Bear have both helped me up my smoking game.
     
  16. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    You can try it, but Pellets and fine grainy Sawdust work the best.

    As for the Dust, I have used dust from:

    Miter Saw

    Table Saw while crosscutting

    Radial Saw

    And I have tried without much success, dust, chips, or shavings from:

    Table Saw while ripping

    Shaper

    Planer

    Jointer

    Too fine of a dust from Wide Belt Sander, Edge Sander, and Spindle sanders

    Bear
     
  17. daricksta

    daricksta Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    This is why you're the MES/AMNPS Authority, Bear, and why I referred our friend over to you.
     
  18. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    LOL---Todd's the authority!!  I was just one of his testers.

    Bear
     
  19. rugerlc9

    rugerlc9 Newbie

    I bought my MES 30 Gen 1 from Gander Mountain last Sunday on line for $149.   When I went to pick if up at the store they offered me an 2 year extended warranty for $19.99 which I didn't hesitate to buy.  
     
  20. dr k

    dr k Master of the Pit

    Are the Gen 1 and 2 digital?  I've seen digital displays in the front and on the back of the smokers.  Does the outside packaging say which Generation it is?  What is the one below?  It looks basic from Bass Pro with a free cover for $129.97.

    -Kurt

     

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