need help with venison snack sticks

Discussion in 'Wild Game' started by drake5711, Apr 16, 2013.

  1. drake5711

    drake5711 Newbie

    Hi I am very new at smoking snack sticks I used about 6 pounds of venison and 3 of pork shoulder scraps. Used lem seasonings and caseings I smoked at around 180 and the casings didn't exactly adhere to the meat there soggy you could say the meat flavor is great just wondering how to get the casing to adhere to the meat and not get wrinkles and soggy texture. Thanks for any help
  2. s2k9k

    s2k9k AMNPS Test Group

    What kind of casings? What kind of smoker? Water pan in the smoker? How wet was the meat when stuffed?

    Not really sure what you mean "adhere to the meat"
    Not really sure you can do snack sticks without some wrinkling of the casings.

    Sorry for the questions but I think some more info will help others to find your problem and help you.

    I see this is your first post here, when you get a minute would you do us a favor and swing by "Roll Call" and introduce yourself so we can give you a proper SMF Welcome, Thanks!
  3. lu1847

    lu1847 Smoking Fanatic

    Sorry to hear that. Did you smoke at 180 the whole time, if so that's too hot. What I think you did is rendered the fat. There are many ways to smoke stix and different temps . lots of people start at 100 and bump the heat by 10 to 15 degrees every hour until the stix reach 150. A easy method I use is smoke at 130 for about 3 hrs and then poach them in around 175 degree water until the stix reach 150 ,usually there in about 5 to ten min. Hope this helps. Get a good instant read pen thermometer to go by temps are real important with stix and sausage.
    Last edited: Apr 16, 2013
  4. drake5711

    drake5711 Newbie

    I used lem collogen casings smoked at 180 the whole time with water pan an the smoker is a masterbuilt cookmaster electric smoker and I had a digital thermometer and I smoked tell the internal temp was 160 and I guess the wrinkles arnt really the problem they were just soggy and almost falling off of the meat when you cut into them.
  5. jckdanls 07

    jckdanls 07 Master of the Pit Group Lead OTBS Member

    I'm thinking another one of your problems is your venison to pork ratio... from your description your at 50%... myself, I would do 20%... no more than 30%... and as others said.. start out at 130` for a couple of hrs.... then bump up 10` every couple of hrs... I agree at 180` your rendered all the fat (50%) out....
  6. Sorry to hear you had some problems. I have to agree with the rendering of the fat. The temp was too high. I use the LEM Collagen casings and yes they wrinkle some. Everyone has a different method that works for them. I start mine at 110-120 for about 2 hrs with no smoke and no water pan and all vents open so the casings dry some. Then I bump my temp up 10 degrees per hour, start adding smoke and never exceed 170 degrees smoker temp. 
  7. woodcutter

    woodcutter Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    When the fat renders out, what is normally left is dry crumbly sausage with little pockets of lard inside the casing. There are a few different possibilities but it is hard to guess without knowing everything about your process.

    Could have added too much water while mixing or stuffing.

    Didn't let the sticks hang and dry before smoking.

    Smoking at 180 heated up the small diameter sticks too fast and didn't have enough time in the smoker to dry and cook correctly.

    The sausage could have been "smeared" while grinding or stuffing and the meat and fat didn't bind properly. (happens sometimes when you stuff casings with a meat grinder)

    If you had 6lbs of venison and 3lbs of pork trimmings your ratio is 66/33 and should have been good. The start low and keep bumping up the temp is good advice. Keep bumping it until your smoker temp is 175 max and then wait until your meat temp reaches 152.

    Here is a good thread:

    It takes a couple attempts sometimes, getting used to your smoker and how you do things. So eat them and make some more.
  8. drake5711

    drake5711 Newbie

    Thanks for all the great advise I'm going to try bumping up the temp slowly I think that was my problem on the next batch later this week once the sticks I made are gone should I lower the fat content too? Or should that be fine. Thanks
  9. woodcutter

    woodcutter Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    That is your preference.  Some people like 50/50 and some like almost none.  70/30 is a good place to start.

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