Mr T's "Smoked Cheese From Go To Show" w/ Q- View

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What??????  It's a nice balmy 34° here.  My wife brought 2lbs. of Lighthouse cheddar curds home and want's them smoked today so she can share at work Monday.  I have a 5lb. block of 4 year old Tillamook cheddar that's begging to go in with it. 

T
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Mr. T,

     Just wanted to get back to you and again thank you for a wonderful post. I now have a refer with about 40 lb. of smoked various cheeses. And I have to say that your suggestion of the limburger cheese was really good ...... that's smoked limburger brown mustard, and a healthy slice of sweet onion. A cold beer goes good with it too. Thanks for a great post.

Bill
Thank you, Bill.  Sounds like you are getting quite the inventory built up, proud of you.  Try adding a couple sardines to your Limburger sandwich, puts it over the top.

T
 
I just read Mr. T's post about smoking cheese and his replies to questions.  I learned more about smoking cheese in a few minutes than I have in years of trying on my own, sometimes with the help of other Eggheads like me.  Yes, I'm an Egghead.  I cook (and smoke) using a Big Green Egg ceramic smoker/grill.  Although my latest batch of smoked cheese was tasty, I really felt that it lacked something.  My latest method of smoking is using a metal bean can, a cheap soldering iron and only some smoking chips in the fire pit of the Egg.  It works quite well to generate smoke but I was sure there is a better method.  You just convinced me there is a better way.  Thank you very much.  I'll try again, this time armed with a lot more knowledge.
 
Spring Chicken, welcome to the forum.  

Sounds like you have gotten the smoke generator figured out. The most important thing is the internal smoker temperature as the texture of most hard cheeses will begin to change at 80°, soft cheese at 55°.  This does not mean that cheese smoked at higher temps won't be good, it's just that the quality of the original block will begin to change.  There are those who either deliberately or because they have no choice take their cheese to higher temps, even to the melting point and are quite pleased with the result.  The final result all depends on your personal taste.

As for time, learn to smoke your cheese to a desired color.  Each individual has a different desired taste.  Due to the many variables when smoking, you will soon learn to disregard the time someone else or even yourself smokes their cheese unless you have tasted their cheese and are using their smoker at their location to smoke yours.

Keep good notes and you will soon be producing a product you will be proud of.

Enjoy your cheese, if you think I can help in the future, please ask,

Tom
 
Been getting questions on how to serve cheese.  The following was added to the thread.

Question:  How is cheese properly served?

Answer:   Number one rule:  Do not eat cheese cold or straight from the refrigerator. The cold temperature hinders the natural flavors and fragrance  of the cheese. The aromatic and complex flavors of cheese don't really begin to appear until the cheese is at room temperature.

Cheese is composed largely of fat.  Since fat means flavor, the goal is to amplify it as much as possible. When fat molecules are cold, they contract, when they warm, they relax, allowing a greater perception of flavor.

Pull your cheese out of the refrigerator at least an hour to a hour and a half before serving.  To keep your cheese from drying out, never unwrap your cheese when you bring it out of the refrigerator.  If serving waxed cheese at room temperature, wait until ready to serve before removing wax or if wrapped, unwrapping.

Be careful, though, especially in the summer months, if you warm up the cheese too much, it'll start to sweat and melt in unappetizing ways. Try to keep it at or around 72°.

To cut any cheese properly—hard or soft —use a good chef's knife or a good all-purpose utility knife. To cut very soft, cheese such as chevre cleanly, use a length of stretched dental floss.

 Serving cheese after the main course, prior to or in place of dessert, adds an elegant touch to casual dinners.  If served before dinner, with cocktails, remember that cheeses can be filling.  Serve in limited quantities and variety. 

If serving more than one type of cheese, provide separate knives for each cheese. Do not overcrowd the serving tray, as guest will need room to slice the cheeses. 
 
It may be in the thread somewhere, but didn't have time to read all 8 pages. So after you smoke the cheese, you can leave it vacuum sealed at room temperature?  Or do you age it post-smoke in a refrigerator?
 
 
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                      A piece and slices of three-year-old smoked cheddar
     Mr.T’s
       “Smoked Cheese, From Go to Show”
That just looks fancy right there! Very nice post with lots of good info! 
 
It may be in the thread somewhere, but didn't have time to read all 8 pages. So after you smoke the cheese, you can leave it vacuum sealed at room temperature?  Or do you age it post-smoke in a refrigerator?
If you read the first post scroll about 1/5 threw it you'll see storage of cheese. You don't have to refrigerate but keep it cool and dry..
I'm in a double walled stone home and the laundry has a thick cement floor.
Under or laundry sink is where I store mine. Stays nice and cool once vac sealed..
 
 
It may be in the thread somewhere, but didn't have time to read all 8 pages. So after you smoke the cheese, you can leave it vacuum sealed at room temperature?  Or do you age it post-smoke in a refrigerator?
To elaborate a bit more on BigGQWesty's post.  Only hard cheeses may be stored at 70° F - 21.1° C or lower.  Soft cheeses must be refrigerated at 55° F - 12.8 C or lower.  Cheese may be aged both pre-smoke and post-smoke.

Westy,  Sounds like a perfect place to store cheese, close to cave-like conditions.

T
 
Wow, I can't believe I have missed this. Thank you Case for being to my attention.

Tom that is outstanding and the pictures and explanations were perfect. I always wondered about tying a piece of dental floss around a block of smoked cheese and dropping it in the hot wax...... The plating method w/ the wax you showed was so simple. 

BTW I saw another of your knives I want!

Really exceptional tutorial.
 
Thread update.

Question: Why does my cheese taste bitter right out of the smoker?

Answer: Creosote = Bitter    Your smoke is depositing too much creosote onto the cheese. Suggest using a different smoke delivery system such as the one pictured below. Using an AMNPS inside a cast-iron stove which is used as a heat sink and collects most of the creosote. The smoke then travels through a 10ft section of 3 inch stove pipe to the product chamber. Other smoke delivery systems can be used but will not be discussed on this forum.  

 
 
Thread update.

Question: Why does my cheese taste bitter right out of the smoker?

Answer: Creosote = Bitter    Your smoke is depositing too much creosote onto the cheese. Suggest using a different smoke delivery system such as the one pictured below. Using an AMNPS inside a cast-iron stove which is used as a heat sink and collects most of the creosote. The smoke then travels through a 10ft section of 3 inch stove pipe to the product chamber. Other smoke delivery systems can be used but will not be discussed on this forum.  
Okay I feel a little silly asking this, but what do you mean by "heat sink"?

I understand using a smoke delivery system like above to get "cleaner" smoke, but is the "heat sink" part just to keep the temp low in the product chamber for a cold smoke?

Thanks
 
A heat sink is a device that draws heat from a hot object (smoke) and disperses it into the cooler surroundings(iron stove), so as to cool the hot object(smoke).

Hope this helped.

Tom
 
A mail box mod acts as a sort of heat sink also...
Morning Dave,

I am fairly familiar with that method as so many MES guys use it on here. I have also read most of your threads about it. Based on this thread and others I have seen by Mr. T and friends on bitter cheese, creosote, and mods, I assume the longer the piping, with any mod, the cooler/cleaner the smoke will be? Depending on outside temps and weather conditions and such of course.

I have read a lot of the threads about smoking cheese as I really want to do it soon, and my dad just did some in his MES a few weeks ago. He doesn't have any mods, and my family didn't want to wait to try it. Sat wrapped in the fridge a day or two and then people started to dig in. I wasn't a huge fan. Hickory was he wood and to me it was bitter and harsh. I tried to tell them to let it rest and mellow but they wanted to eat it and seemed to like it. I want to follow methods I have seen on here when I do mine and hope to get better results. 
 
A mail box mod acts as a sort of heat sink also...
Morning Dave,

I am fairly familiar with that method as so many MES guys use it on here. I have also read most of your threads about it. Based on this thread and others I have seen by Mr. T and friends on bitter cheese, creosote, and mods, I assume the longer the piping, with any mod, the cooler/cleaner the smoke will be? Depending on outside temps and weather conditions and such of course.

I have read a lot of the threads about smoking cheese as I really want to do it soon, and my dad just did some in his MES a few weeks ago. He doesn't have any mods, and my family didn't want to wait to try it. Sat wrapped in the fridge a day or two and then people started to dig in. I wasn't a huge fan. Hickory was he wood and to me it was bitter and harsh. I tried to tell them to let it rest and mellow but they wanted to eat it and seemed to like it. I want to follow methods I have seen on here when I do mine and hope to get better results. 


Hickory is a pretty strong flavor wood.... Go with a fruit wood like peach or pecan... maybe even alder or Pitmasters Choice... I normally use PC because that's the mildest wood I had, until now..... I just bought the "Sweet woods" pellets and alder from Todd.... Soooooo, I will be trying those soon.... I usually smoke cheese in the winter when it's below freezing... I do have to trick the MES 30 to start at those temps... I use a hair dryer or space heater to warm it so it will fire up the heating element.... They have some sort of "low temp override" that my MES won't start up at about 30 deg. F...

Oh..... I usually smoke cheese about 2-4 hours.... ALSO, get the cheese up to 60 degrees or so.... above the ambient temp so condensate doesn't form on it.... water and smoke don't taste good... tastes like acid rain....
 
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