Making Andoullie today..But ?

Discussion in 'Sausage' started by frassettor, Apr 25, 2009.

  1. frassettor

    frassettor Fire Starter

    I am making my first batch od Andoullie today. I bought the seasonings from The Sausage Maker, added the cure, spices, and stuffed into 32-25 MM hog Casings last night. This morning I put them in the smokehouse at 100-110- degrees for an hour/hour and 15 minutes. then I turned it up to 125-130 degrees and I went through 1 pan of sawdust so far and noticed that Im not getting to much color yet....Why?. The casing felt damp/dry after that hour, and usually when I make hot sticks or sausage they have a pretty good color already after 1 pan of sawdust. Do these take a little longer to get the color because they are the natural casings?
     
  2. mulepackin

    mulepackin Master of the Pit OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Off the top of my head the moisture you describe would be the first culprit to hinder the smoke up take. I would think the first hour as you described would have dried the surface pretty well. What is your vent configuration? How much moisture was added to the sausage? Are you soaking your chips?
     
  3. frassettor

    frassettor Fire Starter

    I did use damp sawdust. I have the Sausagemakers stainless steel smoker (20)lb that just has a lever to adjust the damper.When I mixed it up last night I used the 1 cup of water they suggested for 5 lbs of meat.
     
  4. frassettor

    frassettor Fire Starter

    Well...I have been actually smoking it now for about 5 hrs at 125-140 degrees, and the color is great in some areas and there are no color in the other areas!! HELP[​IMG] Not sure if I should leave them in a little longer with the smoke, or pull the sawdust pan out and turn the heat up to 165 degrees and leave it in there till the internal temp is reached. What makes the color when doing these types of sausages? Smoke, or color?? Can anyone help me out???????
     
  5. ol' smokey

    ol' smokey Smoking Fanatic SMF Premier Member

    I ran into that same problem. The solution is to air dry them prior to smoking for mabey an hour then into the smoker with the vwnts wide open until the casings are dry. If after that you feel the casings are to damp ypu are probally closing down the draft to much. Just my .02 cents..

    Oh I forgot to mention the initial temp for drying is 130° then Iup it to 165° to finish then off. The final internal temp shoule be around 152°.
     
  6. mulepackin

    mulepackin Master of the Pit OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Smokeys inst. are dead on. I'm sure you are done by now, but another question I have is are you hanging the sausages or are they on racks? Any areas touching shelving or each other won't take up smoke. The same for hanging sausage, any areas touching each other, shelving or smoker sides won't take up smoke. The amount of water you used sounds pretty good. I use 1 qt. per 25# and that usually works out well, so you should be close. The amount of time you allowed for drying should have been enough, but I don't know what climate conditions you were dealing with either, which may have been a factor. I'm almost sure it was because they didn't dry enough before smoke was added, so just watch that next time. Finally, how did they taste? Thats what really counts, (although we all care about appearance). Keep at it. I've not done any andoulle yet myself, and have to add that to the must do list.
     
  7. afreetrapper

    afreetrapper Fire Starter

    Here is my recipe for Andouille and it has never failed me. You should only need 1 pan of sawdust its all i never need. There is a happy balance on how moist the casing should be to dry the smoke will not penetrate to wet it doesn't stick. I am adding a response (following the recipe) I received from Kansas State University in regards to smoke. Even though the question was in regards to cured and smoked meats it applies to smoked sausages as well.

    Andouille
    5 lbs pork shoulder (butt) about 75-80% lean. Add pork fat if necessary.
    10 tablespoons crushed and chopped fresh garlic/chopped garlic (about 15 cloves) 1.83 oz 1/2 cup
    3 tablespoons medium grind black pepper
    3 tablespoons kosher salt
    4 teaspoons crushed red pepper flakes
    0.42 oz 2 Tbs.cayenne pepper
    1 tablespoon dried thyme
    1 cup ice water
    1 teaspoon Prague powder or Instacure #1
    38 - 40 mm hog casings or 6’ beef middle casings

    1. Cube meat into 3/4" to 1" pieces and chill to near freezing and grind one time through 1/2" plate.
    2. Add herbs, spices and to meat and mix well and grind through 3/16" plate
    3. Stuff into casings you can leave the casing as a long rope or tie into 12” links with butchers twine refrigerate for 24 hours.
    4. Remove from refrigerator hang in smoker add pecan or hickory chips and smoke for 1 hour at 130’
    5. Poach sausages in water or add to jambalaya or gumbo.
    6. For fully cooked sausages bring smoker temperature up to 170‘ F. and smoke until sausages reach an internal temperature of 154‘ F.


    Dean,

    You actually have two different questions that need to be addressed.
    The reason for this is that a smoke ring and smoke are two different
    things. Smoking is generally used as a surface treatment to add smoke
    flavor and smoke color which is brown. The smoke ring on the other hand
    is a chemical reaction similar to the curing process that results in a
    pink ring being formed underneath the skin of the meat product.

    If we think of smoking as a process to impart smoke flavor and a brown,
    smoke color then we can think of it as purely a surface treatment.
    Smoke particles have numerous large molecules involved that are unable
    to penetrate the meat product very far. In addition, the amount of
    smoke applied is directly related to the amount of moisture present on
    the meat surface. As the meat is smoked it will continue to adhere to
    the surface as long as there is moisture present. However, as meat is
    cooked along with the smoking process the meat surface generally dries
    out limiting the adherence of any additional smoke. So to increase
    smoke deposition on the surface you need to make sure you get more
    moisture on the surface. Be careful though as too much water will
    impede some of the other browning reactions that are occurring and you
    may end up with too much smoke on the product. This is a very important
    point because one of smokes constituents is acid, and if you get too
    much acid on the surface it will result in bitter flavors. Thats why
    most people (bbqrs) and the meat industry only smoke meat for a limited
    time period. The point being is more is not better.

    Secondly, the smoke ring is formed as wood is burned giving off nitrogen
    dioxide. This nitrogen dioxide produced is water soluble and will
    attach to the outside of the meat product and be converted to nitric
    oxide. Nitric oxide is the same compound responsible for the pink color
    in cured meats. Nitric oxide is much smaller than other compounds found
    in smoke and is therefore able to penetrate the product. However, as
    mentioned previously at some point during smoking the amount of water on
    the surface is dried off limiting the amount of nitrogen dioxide that
    can be absorbed and thus limiting the amount of pink ring formation that
    occurs.

    Additionally, the only way to get more smoke into the center of a
    product is to add liquid smoke. In fact, this process is done on most
    food service bacon and a great deal of frankfurters that are made here
    in the U.S.

    Finally, I don't know of any research available documenting different
    rates of smoke application on fresh vs. cured or pork vs. beef. Again,
    smoke application has more to do with water availability and how the
    cooking process is regulated (humidity and temp).

    I hope this helps

    Terry

    Terry A. Houser Ph.D.
    Assistant Professor
    251 Weber Hall
    Kansas State University
    Manhattan, KS 66506
    Phone: 785-532-1253
    Fax: 785-532-7059
     

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