So after a few years with my pellet smoker (which I love), I wanted to upgrade to a stick burner for a few reasons: 1.) Pellet smokers only come but so big and I want a lot more cooking area 2.) I just haven't been able to get the smoke flavor I want out of Pellet Smokers and after all the extra work (using the Amazing Tube and using mojo bricks etc...) to coax the smoke flavor out of the pellet smoker, I might as well just get a stick burner 3.) I want to start cooking for larger events and do competitions next year so the reasons above are magnified. I've been looking all over for the smoker I want and I THINK I've narrowed it down to the lang (60 maybe) or a pitmaker pit. I do have a few questions though: 1.) Has anyone ever heard of pitmaker, heard of any experiences with them, or have any experience yourself? 2.) Are there any others that I should strongly consider and why? 3.) Of all the ones I've looked it, it seems Lang is the only reverse flow that I find... All the others are offset but not reverse flow and I'd definitely prefer a reverse flow if possible. Am I missing something or is Langs one of the few that do reverse flow? 4.) Lastly what are the major differences between vertical and horizontal smokers? I've only used horizontal so I'm not sure - but it sure seems like I could save a lot of space with vertical. I'm just not sure if they cook different. Logic tells me that the bottom shelf near the firebox is hotter and each shelf as you go up is progressively cooler in temp when using a vertical smoker but I'm not sure if that's actually true in practice. Any thoughts? I know this is a long question so I appreciate any time taken to give input - I really respect the opinions of you guys on this forum. Thanks everyones OH yeah budget! I'm sure it would be helpful to know my budget... I'd like to stay under $4k.