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This article, with all it's accoutrement's, was too big to cut and paste, but here's a good link for that comparison:

http://www.livestrong.com/article/282445-calories-in-a-buffalo-burger/

One thing it points out is once you add in bun, ketchup, sauce, pickles, onions, mayo, french fries, chips, piece of pie with two scoops of ice cream, two beers, and after dinner mint, the health saving between the two is minimal, lol, as with turkey or chicken to beef, and so on... again... YAWYE...
 
I am in.  I am only 34, but with a 3 mo old son I need to be eating better and getting in better shape so I can be here for my son.

Pops, I see your post on Turkey burger.  Have you thought of bison/buffalo.  Gives you the the red meat taste, but the healthier benefits.
 
I've been on the low carb diet and it really works for me. Here is a website I have been ordering from, especially these tortillas. Man are they good, not too expensive. I order 10 packs at the time and freeze them. When I do pulled pork I make a BBQ taco, instead of sammie. Also, one of my most favorite things is a turkey burger with lettuce, tomato, onions, little bit of cheese and a little bit of mayo then wrapped up in one of these tortillas. Yumm. They also have some other items worth checking out.

http://www.netrition.com/mama_lupes_tortillas_page.html
 
A nice alternative to a burger is eggplant, Slice an eggplant about a 1/2 thick put in egg whites then bread crumbs, grill and put on Kaiser roll bermudia onion and hot mustard is yummy
 
Wow, great site, Squirrel!  Thnaks
I've been on the low carb diet and it really works for me. Here is a website I have been ordering from, especially these tortillas. Man are they good, not too expensive. I order 10 packs at the time and freeze them. When I do pulled pork I make a BBQ taco, instead of sammie. Also, one of my most favorite things is a turkey burger with lettuce, tomato, onions, little bit of cheese and a little bit of mayo then wrapped up in one of these tortillas. Yumm. They also have some other items worth checking out.

http://www.netrition.com/mama_lupes_tortillas_page.html
 
Great Post Pops, I'm in too.

and thanks for the link Squirrel.

I bought some TVP (textured vegetable protein) a while back  to experiment with some low fat ,high protein dogs.  Maybe I'll try to get it going soon. thanks Pops for the inspiration.
 
This is more than overdue in mine and my families life...Now I can add the support of my Great Friends here too!  I'm in...Thanks for the enlightenment Pops!

BTW:  During the summer of '97 I worked as a recipe development Chef for a Emu/Ostrich Producer. The Red meat is super low in fat and contains 20% less Sat Fat then skinless Chicken Breast. The meat cooks and eats like Beef with a flavor that is virtually indistinguishable from that of lean Beef. I once served my Father, a man who refused to eat ANY game or Exotic meat, two Grilled London Broils, one beef one ostrich...He nor anyone else at the meal,other than myself, could tell the difference! In fact because the producer filled my freezer with Emu and Ostrich was the only red meat we ate that summer. It is somewhat difficult to find and can be pricey otherwise I would have never stopped eating it...But it is worth a try...JJ
 
Afternoon All.... There is this site that is pretty cool when it comes to analizing foods and ingredients...

http://nutritiondata.self.com/

Enter a food name and check out the info available... glycemic load, nutrients, vitamins and stuff I don't understand...

those on restricted diets may find this a usefull tool.....

Have fun and I hope this is helpfull to some...  Dave 

PS... be sure the serving size windows are the same when comparing foods etc...

I see squirrel beat me to it....
 
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Count me in too. I am pulling the work plug tomorow and this could be just the ticket for me to loose some weight.
 
Wow!  Thank you all so much for committing to changing to healthier habits one bite at a time!  Anything is good!  Brag about what you've done, doing or want to do here!

Being diabetic, you're almost like a detective having to root out all the information you can to eat healthier.  This is site I use to help:

http://www.diabeticlivingonline.com.../templatedata/dlv/quiz/data/1234543368249.xml

Some interesting facts and fictions!
 
Unfortunately, I've forgotten how to get into the signature element to make changes.  Yes, for those who are quick to point to using the search, I have and it's not all that intuitive and it's even worse with WIKI.  How about a link to help this old phart out?
 
I bought Soy Protein from Butcher Packer, it is very fine like powder, but what I remember from the 'old days' for meat additives was a grainy soy protein grits that we'd mix with water and lumped up just like hamburger, and we'd add 33% to ground beef to make soy burger mix and sold it as such.  Does that describe what you have as TVP?  The soy flour I got as a substitute for powdered milk in frankfurters to retain more moisture.  Am still looking for the old time grits.
 
Great Post Pops, I'm in too.

and thanks for the link Squirrel.

I bought some TVP (textured vegetable protein) a while back  to experiment with some low fat ,high protein dogs.  Maybe I'll try to get it going soon. thanks Pops for the inspiration.
 
All diets, eating, consumption, etc. boil down to calories, a standard measurement actually of heat.  For diet, here's some info:

http://walking.about.com/cs/calories/g/calorie.htm

Very enlightening!

One thing to point out; there are twice as many calories in fat as there are in lean!  So, besides trimming the fat for artery-clogging reasons, that's why trimming the fat for weight loss is such a good idea.

Now, just like the "chicken skin" post that started this all off, trimming the fat is a good thing!  (http://www.smokingmeatforums.com/t/112405/to-skin-or-not-to-skin-the-chicken-parts).  The more fat you trim off the less calories you will consume and likewise the more benefit in protein you will get from the lean!
 
HEY, Scarbelly, well to the ranks of the retired (but is this your final decision?).

Count SWMBO and NWDave amongst the newest members of Club Y.A.W.Y.E.
 
Yup - third time is the charm ( I hope)
 
 
Yup - third time is the charm ( I hope)
 
Geeze, I gotta proof what I type a lot closer, I mean't to say "WELCOME".

Retirement is sorta like smoking (cigarettes, that is).  You'll quit several times before actually finally quitting.  I practiced Retirement a couple of times before actually yelling  "That's it, I don't have to put up with this ####, I can retire if I want!!!!"  and did.  Haven't looked back since.
 
 
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