IS THIS A RIP OFF OF THE AMNPS

Discussion in 'Slicers, Grinders, Tools, Equipment' started by red adaire, Jan 4, 2015.

  1. smokin monkey

    smokin monkey Master of the Pit Group Lead OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    I have purchased one of these from Todd.

    The thing that's obvious here is the lack of comment from Todd?

    As a Business man myself I would be on the front foot with this "UK Copy" or is it a case that the Patent is only valid in the US?

    We could have a Chicken & Egg situation here.

    Just my opinion, and do not want to upset anybody, especially Todd.

    Smokin Monkey �
     
  2. atomicsmoke

    atomicsmoke Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    BTW, There is no such thing as International or worldwide patent. You need a patent granted in each country. There is a simplified process to apply for multiple countries (some kind of international agreement) that allows you to apply in your home country and gives you a certain time (one year I think) to decide if you want to apply in other countries .

    Patents applications are expensive.
     
  3. wade

    wade Master of the Pit OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    That is true however levels of International protection can be obtained through the PCT (Patent Cooperation Treaty). But as you say it is expensive. The PCT is an international treaty with more than 145 Contracting States. The PCT makes it possible to seek patent protection for an invention simultaneously in a large number of countries by filing a single “international” patent application instead of filing several separate national or regional patent applications.

    http://www.wipo.int/pct/en/

    http://www.wipo.int/pct/en/faqs/faqs.html
     
  4. dls1

    dls1 Smoking Fanatic

    The PCT application process generally gives the applicant an additional 18 months to consider whether and in which country or countries to pursue patent protection. If the applicant first filed a patent application in the United States, then filed a PCT application within 12 months of the U.S. filing, the applicant would generally have an additional 18 months to nationalize the PCT application in the foreign country or countries in which the applicant desired patent protection. Once the application is nationalized in a particular country, the application will be examined under the local laws of each country to determine whether a patent should be granted.

    At a bare minimum, I would estimate the costs of the initial PCT filing fees alone for a small entity to be in the area of $5,000 USD. Additional fees, if required, and associated legal fees could easily double or triple that. By far, the most expensive aspect of international patent procurement is the national-phase cost, which includes the fees paid to each national patent office for entrance into the national phase and during the patent prosecution process, the legal fees of local attorneys or agents to obtain a national patent, and the fees to the national patent office to maintain the granted patent in force.
     
  5. wade

    wade Master of the Pit OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    As Steve says, I guess until we find out from Todd where the patents were successfully filed we will not know whether the copy on sale here is perfectly legitimate or is actually breaching his copyright. 
     
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2015
  6. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Apparently Todd isn't worried about it, or he would say or do something about it.

    I already said more than I should, which is why I haven't added anything to this discussion other than what I said in the beginning. It's Todd's business---Not mine.

    And he handles it very well.

    Bear
     
  7. smokin monkey

    smokin monkey Master of the Pit Group Lead OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Hi Bear, we are all one big family on this forum, I am sure we will all support Todd.

    Smokin Monkey
     
  8. wade

    wade Master of the Pit OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    [​IMG]
     
  9. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Of Course---I know that----I just don't want to talk about his business. He can do that for himself.

    Bear
     
  10. gravey

    gravey Smoke Blower

    I agree about the Pro-Q. Got it as a Christmas gift one year, and never really cared for it.
     
  11. As of today they appear to be back on sale.
     
  12. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Right now it says:

    This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available.

    Bear
     
  13. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

  14. tjohnson

    tjohnson Smoking Guru Staff Member Moderator Insider OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Yup, it's a knockoff

    I'm not going to get into a patent discussion on this or any other forum, as it's just not the place to discuss legal issues.  That's best for lawyers and courts!

    EBay has been notified that his postings violate 2 of my 3 U.S. Patents.

    I'll let Mr. Ian Mckend, the owner of ProQ deal with him in the UK.  He's very protective on his own turf!

    Todd
     
  15. Todd. Just hope I haven't opened a can of worms for you my friend.
     
  16. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Amen.

    Bear
     
  17. tjohnson

    tjohnson Smoking Guru Staff Member Moderator Insider OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Nope, not a can of worms at all, and thanks for the "Heads Up"!

    Things like this happen, and we deal with them one at a time

    This isn't the first knockoff and won't be the last

    They really have to decide if the cost to defend a lawsuit is worth the couple bucks they make on knocking my gadgets off.

    A patent attorney costs $400/hr. [​IMG]
     
  18. smokin monkey

    smokin monkey Master of the Pit Group Lead OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Dignified Response, now we know, I am sure all members in the UK will do the right thing, and stay well clear of this listing.

    Smokin Monkey �
     
  19. tjohnson

    tjohnson Smoking Guru Staff Member Moderator Insider OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    All he made was the top of the tray

    He's missing the base!

    Without the base, the thing will warp and twist

    If I calculate this correctly, $35 US = 23 Pounds....Correct?

    Add $20 to ship to the UK and we're at 36 Pounds Delivered...Correct?

    Are my conversions correct?

    Man, you guys in the UK got some buying power!!

    Hmmm....????

    Any Takers?
     
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2015

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