Hot Smoked Salmon (And Worms)...

Discussion in 'Fish' started by stwallace, Aug 13, 2011.

  1. stwallace

    stwallace Fire Starter

    I brined some salmon for almost 24 hours and dried it on a rack with a fan for 2 1/2 hrs.  Now I put all the fish in the smoker and brought the temp to around 145-150 Degrees.  Little clear worms are starting to come out of the salmon now.  I pulled about 6 out and there are a few more popping back out as well.  I you tubed it and found out they are tape worms or some other parasite but if cooked to 140 degrees it isn't harmful.  any thought???
     
  2. smokinal

    smokinal Smoking Guru Staff Member Moderator OTBS Member ★ Lifetime Premier ★

    That's scary!

    Were these store bought or wild that you caught?
     
    Last edited: Aug 14, 2011
  3. pops6927

    pops6927 Smoking Guru Staff Member Moderator Group Lead OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Parasitic worms in fish is quite common.  Cod and Scrod are famous for it.  Cooked properly under any means they are harmless.  You have eaten them many many times, just never knew it.
     
  4. smokinal

    smokinal Smoking Guru Staff Member Moderator OTBS Member ★ Lifetime Premier ★

    I don't think I would ever eat fish again if I saw worms crawling out.
     
  5. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    I saw these parasites on the web a couple years ago, so I did some research & found there are two ways to ensure there are no parasites in fish.

    If my memory serves me:

    One way is cooking to an IT of 160˚.

    The other is freezing to ZERO degrees for at least 30 days (other temps for other lengths of time).

    So if I'm going to cold or warm smoke, I do the freezing game, and if I'm going to hot smoke & cook, I'll take it to 160˚.

    Bear
     
  6. smokinal

    smokinal Smoking Guru Staff Member Moderator OTBS Member ★ Lifetime Premier ★

    WOW Bear that just blows my salmon right out of the water.

    I never cook it past 140, I hope the worms are done at that temp.
     
  7. I worked at a fish processing plant in Alaska in the eighties and they would slide the cod fish filets over a plate glass table with a brite light shining through to look for these worms, if worms were present they would get rejected. I think I might have a hard time eatin flesh burrowing worms and knowing it.
     
  8. meateater

    meateater Smoking Guru SMF Premier Member

    I like my worms on the hook not in the meat. [​IMG]
     
  9. venture

    venture Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Don't eat flour.  Insect eggs in there.

    LOL

    Good luck and good smoking.
     
  10. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Good point Merv!!!

    I still remember my mother used to get free boxes of cereal from the companies (1950s & 60s), because of finding bugs in unopened boxes of cereal !!!

    They had to be born in the unopened boxes!

    LOL---I remember the "Puffed Rice" had little dark spots on each piece, but the ones that moved were not supposed to be there!!!

    Bear
     
    Last edited: Aug 14, 2011
  11. stwallace

    stwallace Fire Starter

    So I pulled about ten worms out.  Since I have the MES with the window I was just watching them pop up and squirm around when the temp got to around 145.   I quit opening the door though after a while but I saw more coming up.  I finished cooking it because I was going to eat it seeing that most things I read, said if its cooked to 140 IT its harmless.  I changed my mind after 10 plus worms though but it looked fantastic.  I should have taken pictures of the finished product but I just ended up tossing it away.  What a waste!
     
  12. teeznuts

    teeznuts Master of the Pit

    No fish for me for a while!
     
  13. venture

    venture Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Just added protein.  Always remember the starving kids in Korea.  Or wherever it was when your mother told you to eat the crust on your bread or toast.

    We are very lucky.

    Good luck and good smoking.
     
  14. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    I never got the starving kids story about crust---I got the story from my Dad----"Eat the crust, it'll put hair on your chest!"

    The starving people story was about cleaning your plate.  [​IMG]

    Bear
     
  15. sunman76

    sunman76 Master of the Pit

    [​IMG]  Wow the things one can learn....
     
  16. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Here's some good info:

    Parasites in Marine Fishes



    [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]All living organisms, including fish, can have parasites. Parasites are a natural occurrence, not contamination. They are as common in fish as insects are in fruits and vegetables. Parasites do not present a health concern in thoroughly cooked fish.[/font]

    Parasites become a concern when consumers eat raw or lightly preserved fish such as sashimi, sushi, ceviche, and gravlax. When preparing these products, use commercially frozen fish. Alternatively, freeze the fish to an internal temperature of -4°F for at least 7 days to kill any parasites that may be present. Home freezers may not be cold enough to kill the parasites.

    The health risk from parasites is far less than the risk from "unseen" illness causing bacteria which are present on almost all foods. Here are some commonly asked questions about fish parasites.

    How long should I cook fish to kill parasites?

    Cooking fish to an internal temperature of 140°F will kill all fish nematodes and tapeworms. Normal cooking procedures generally exceed this temperature.

    Much More:

    [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]http://seafood.ucdavis.edu/Pubs/parasite.htm[/font]

    [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Bear[/font]
     
  17. Glad I like my fish fried and breaded lol guess that way I never see em, or dont know they are there[​IMG]
     
  18. rbranstner

    rbranstner Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    I'm with you. Even though it is safe if cooked properly I would have a hard time eating the fish if there were that many worms coming out of it while I was cooking it.
     
  19. africanmeat

    africanmeat Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Do you mean like that

     
     
  20. jirodriguez

    jirodriguez Master of the Pit OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Heck in some parts of the world you would keep the worms and toss the fish! [​IMG]

    ..... but yeah, I would have a hard time eating that particular piece of fish after watching the worms come out and squirm around.... lol.
     

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