I finally dropped the hammer on a stuffer after trying for the last few weeks. I ended up with a Vertical Stainless Steel MTN "ebay brand" 20lber. I will take some pictures once it shows up later next week. I got it for $65 less than the buy it now price so I got a pretty decent deal. I know some of you guys on here are not a fan on the Vert stuffers with the elbow neck because there is going to be left over meat in the neck. But for the price and size i could not go wrong and I am planning on getting a smaller stuffer down the road for 5lb batches. If you guys have any questions about it here is the link. http://www.ebay.com/itm/18085445632...X:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_4863wt_1396 Also every few days one of these will go up for auction for much less than the buy it now price granted you will have to pay shipping but it can be a better buy if you can slip one buy for under $125 or so.