Since Sunday I have been helping with his first failed butt on the phone many times. He has a MES also and asked for help. Today was the day he did it. We talked several times tonight through out the smoke. He just pulled the bone and it was done. I don't know if he will be posting or not, no camera, but if he does without the pics, I know it did happen. So, BBQBUBBA be nice, it did happen, I was there on the phone. Conrats, hillbilly43 Glad to help ya through that.