Cold smoking questions

Discussion in 'Info and Practices' started by nittanyfans, May 2, 2016.

  1. nittanyfans

    nittanyfans Newbie

    I just received my cold smoker attachment for my MES 30. I followed the directs and just did a test smoke. I filled the chip cylinder up about half way and got 2 hours of smoke out of it.

    I didn't turn the smoker on and the smoker didn't go above 82 degrees.

    I have read in here that people using this attachment only turn on the attachment for 15 min. Then shut it off. It didn't say anything about this technique in the directions. I am wondering would the chips continue to burn after I turn the attachment off or should I just leave it on for the entire smoke.

  2. wade

    wade Master of the Pit OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    When cold smoking you are looking to get a continuous flow of light smoke passing over the food throughout the time it is smoking. I do not know why people would suggest switching it off after only 15 minutes.
  3. foamheart

    foamheart Smoking Guru OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    I assume you are talking about the Masterbuilt cold smoker? 

    I have used it, I actually like the results very much. First you do not need to attach it with the wingnut and screw. Which I would guess you already know is a total pain in the butt.

    I use it as a warm smoker, we never even got a freeze here last winter. So I smoke warm. 

    You referenced the set and turn off. What I do is, well lets talk preceedure first. I don't know what others do, but this is how I do it.

    I preheat my smoker to 275 which is really about 230 on my smoker. I always prehest to max temp to smoke, why? Because when you open a door to insert a meat you lose chamber heat which is slow to be reclaimed. IT heats the chamber as hot as possible and I think it helps. Also nearly all things "cold smoked" are brined /cured. I find they need a dewater cycle for 45 mins to an hour on high temp to dry it, and since it doesn't hurt anything I just do it all the time to kick anything I am smoking in the butt to get it warm faster.

    There is the continuing debate as to when meat takes the most smoke. My personal belief as to what I have always seen was sung out here at one time as from 90 to 140 IT the meat's pores are the most open. Made sense as I know heat causes any substance to become less dense. So I can see where that would allow more room for the smoke to infiltrate the meat. At a certain point the pores become saturated. Now you can still take some before 90 and after 140 but at a lesser rate. The prime smoking temp is from 90 to 140 from my experience and that will be discussed and cussed I am sure. Its my opinion and I am sticking to it. Why do you think you need to smoke so much when cold smoking where as warm smoking is at a much faster absorption rate.

    With all this said. You must have a draft thru the unit. I don't smoke during the dewater cycle and it usually works out about right as ti the temp level needed to apply the bast smoke. Usually the IT will be around 65 to 85 after the one hour dewater no smoke cycle. This is when the door is cracked, the top vent fully open getting all that water out.

    At the very end of this is when I kick in the aux smoker and close the door. I have used chips which I know not why worked better damp. But normally I use pecan shells in the chimney. Once its up and smoking, crack open the ash tray. It will take 30 mins or so to see the MES40 fill up with smoke slowly from the bottom to the top. Its really cool. At that point is when I really regulate that discharge vent little adjustments till its smooth were you want it. I had to play around for a few smokes paying attention to get it where I understood my smoker.

    Now is when I  drop the temp to around 120 to 180 degrees which will very very slowly raise the meat temp. I have adjusted the vent to approx. 1/2 closed also. I want to maintain a draft but not lose all my smoke, it has to settle into a continuiously metered flow. Now I turn my aux smoker off. 

    It will smolder supplying a small amount of smoke. You MUST leave the door closed or you'll lose the draft.

    At this point, I will bring out another discussion topic. remember this is all from my experiences. I got my first electric analog with no instruction and a bed of dead charcoal in the bottom in the early 80's, I have worn the bottom out of three of them and there was no vent and no holes. The chamber filled with smoke, the oxygen depleted, the chips smolder till they have to go out due to no oxygen. You Never open the door, Cook it till done then pull it and I'll match color and taste to any other smokers. You can smoke without fresh air and its not hard. Its just hard to let go and try when you've seen firebreathers all your life.

    But With your MES40, and the Masterbuilt cold smoke attachment, I really have no problems with the smoke after its lit. And if I do, cause it does take some study to understand the air flow, just click the cold smoker back on. Don't be affraid, You really can't hurt anything. It just takes a bit of practice. 

    Remember everyone has a different way, I don't say mine is the only way, I don't say it will work for everyone else, I will say I have practiced, and watched, and learned and it will generally work for me. I have used pellet trays, the adjustable oval pellet burner, I think there should be enough smoking done to have room for everyone. You just have to learn what best suits your style with that meat at that time. Its all fun, and good to eat.

    EDIT: I just noticed you are using a MES30, I usually used the chip tray or a pellet smoker with my MES30. I don't know it won't work as above stated, but I have never tryed it in the MES30.
    Last edited: May 3, 2016
  4. wade

    wade Master of the Pit OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    What are you mostly looking to cold smoke? Fish, meat, cheese?
  5. smokinal

    smokinal Smoking Guru Staff Member Moderator OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    I like the way the MES cold smoker works too. However I found that you need to cool the smoke a little before it gets to the smoker. As you can see I have a piece of stovepipe between the smoker & the cold smoker attachment. Notice there is no water or creosote on the glass. It's all in the pipe.

    Hope this helps.

  6. nittanyfans

    nittanyfans Newbie

    I was looking to smoke salmon and cheese.
  7. wade

    wade Master of the Pit OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    You will need to keep the smoke flowing for the whole of the smoke then. Cheese will only take a couple of hours but depending on the type of smoked salmon you are making it will be from 8-24 hours.
  8. nittanyfans

    nittanyfans Newbie

    At what temp should the salmon be smoked at
  9. mr t 59874

    mr t 59874 Master of the Pit SMF Premier Member

    Smoking time for any product depends on the color and density of the smoke. Sliced cheese can be smoked using a heavy smoke in 5 minutes. Using a very light and thin smoke, the last aged cheese I smoked was smoked for 18 hours without any bitter taste.

    If canning cured salmon, keep in mind that the smoke flavor will intensify when canned. By using a medium density whitish blue smoke mine is smoked for approximately 45 minutes, usually in the 60° range.

    You will discover that different equipment will produce different results.

    Take your time and learn your equipment and if you make changes, make them one at a time.

  10. wade

    wade Master of the Pit OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Without knowing what kind of salmon you are wanting to produce then this isn't possible to say without more information.

    If you are producing a hot smoked salmon then you need to start the salmon off at a relatively low heat and then raise it so that the proteins in the fish set gently and do not ooze out to give that white scum on the surface. Everyone will have their own precise temperature method but this is mine
    • 50 C (122 F) for 60 minutes
    • 75 C (170 F) until internal temperature reached 64 C (147 F)
    • Temperature then dropped to 65 C (150 F) for 30 minutes
    If you are producing a traditional cold smoked salmon then once you have cured the fish for 24 hours in a salt and sugar cure you smoke it for a further 24 hours at about 25-28 C (77-82 F).

    With either method don't forget to keep the smoke flowing gently through the chamber.

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