Been lurking around here a long time, thanks for all the tips and tricks. Made some brats from my Rytek Kutas book. I didn't use veal, I just used a 10 lb butt. They always turn out great that way, IMO.. And used dry milk for the binder. Only other thing I did is shred a pound of of cheddar and mixed in. Cheddar makes everything Better!!! When they're almost done, I throw them in a sauerkraut foil pouch and let 'em steam for a bit.. oh my goodness...oh my goodness. Oh, the kids insisted on some grilled hot wings too, little Franks and butter on those... Well, thanks for looking. Thanks for the Pic upload help Al.