Recently I tried a simple sauce recipe for "Carolina Red" vinegar-based sauce. The recipe was: 1 1/2 cups apple cider vinegar 1/2 cup ketchup 1 tbsp sugar 1 tsp salt 1/2 tsp finely ground red pepper (cuyanne) Just mix and serve at room temperature or chill. Wooohooo that was some vinegary tongue-biting nasty stuff!!!!!!!!!! My mouth puckered for 10 minutes after just a taste. Waaayyyy toooo much vinegar. Still I wanted a really good southern style NON-molasses based sauce so I started tweaking. The mix I came up with (Kentucky Red) that everyone we shared it with loved was: 1/2 cup apple cider vinegar (got rid of a full cup) 1/2 cup ketchup 1/2 cup warm water 4 tbsp brown sugar 1 tsp salt 1 tsp finely ground red pepper (cuyanne) That took most of that vinegar tongue bite out of it, gave it a tad more kick, and tasted really good yet retained that southern style vinegar flavor. We love it! Give it a try. Simple ingredients. Simple to make. I also have a fired-up version: Same as above except: 1/2 cup hot and spicy Heinz ketchup instead of regular 1 heaping tbsp finely ground red pepper instead of 1 tsp. This fire-up version is my favorite. Same good flavor, a lot more heat. Give either of these a try and let me know what you think. If you love to have your tongue bitten off then try that original recipe up top (not mine, I take no responsibility for your perma puckered mouth).