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Yes many a war have been started with the foiling of the butt! I have foiled some, some I left to their hang time. This time it was all about practice, trying to fine tune and pin point which way I like more.I didn't like the bark from the couple that I foiled before, However, the time it takes and the little extra dryness from not foiling is not the ticket either. I do think that I am going to foil from now on and just try to figure out the perfect time to unwrap and let that wonderful bark have its time. For me that's what it's all about, Love that bark!! The results are still inconclusive so more trails must be had! However I do know that I like to brine the butt instead of injecting. And definitely rub, wrap and fridge up for overnight.

I appreciate your input on the AMNPS and do think that I have made up my mind. I like the fact that you don't need power for, don't have to mount it to one location or use it special tools for/with it. Now I just need to talk myself in the $10 off plan. That offer is the one that comes with 3 or 4 two pound bags of pellets (or your choice of dust I think) and the lighter. Ok seriously why would I have to think about that one, that's a no brainer!!
Can't wait to cold smoke some stuff!!

Thank you for all your insight!!
I'm no expert on pork butt--haven't smoked one yet. But I've never heard of brining pork. I know about brining poultry and brining beef brisket to make corned beef or pastrami but not pork. But again, I don't know that much about it. I know you'll get plenty of bark during the unfoiled stages.
 
I'm no expert on pork butt--haven't smoked one yet. But I've never heard of brining pork. I know about brining poultry and brining beef brisket to make corned beef or pastrami but not pork. But again, I don't know that much about it. I know you'll get plenty of bark during the unfoiled stages.

I got the basic brine from "barbecuingbible" web site, then added to it, it worked for me. I think of it as a type of marinade as there's a lot of good spices and seasonings in it. I decided to do a search on here to see how many people brine their pork butts. However, just skimming the titles that come up, there was nothing on here about it. I only went threw the first page though, but does not seem to be a common practice. I did read a thread about how many people do and don't foil and why. It's interesting to me all the different methods and opinions there really are. I really enjoy reading everyones adventures on smoking, and completely understand why it's nicknamed food porn!!

On another note....... I got my confirmation email this morning, as well as verification of shipment of my AMNPS!! I am super excited and can't wait. Feels like Christmas!!! :yahoo::biggrin:
 
I got the basic brine from "barbecuingbible" web site, then added to it, it worked for me. I think of it as a type of marinade as there's a lot of good spices and seasonings in it. I decided to do a search on here to see how many people brine their pork butts. However, just skimming the titles that come up, there was nothing on here about it. I only went threw the first page though, but does not seem to be a common practice. I did read a thread about how many people do and don't foil and why. It's interesting to me all the different methods and opinions there really are. I really enjoy reading everyones adventures on smoking, and completely understand why it's nicknamed food porn!!

On another note....... I got my confirmation email this morning, as well as verification of shipment of my AMNPS!! I am super excited and can't wait. Feels like Christmas!!!
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Did you mean Steven Raichlen's Barbecue Bible website? If so, I have about 4-5 of his books, including the Bible, and I download recipes he may not have published there. I also have a still-unwatched DVD set from one of his PBS series. I'll take a look at that brining recipe.

Darn right it WILL be Christmas in April (or early May) when you get your MES. I'm taking mine out today to smoke 3 racks of St. Louis ribs! I'm all excited right now. Food porn indeed.
 
 
Just re-read one of your posts. So, Todd's offering free bags of pellets or dust with the AMNPS? I've never used dust although many people in the forum do use it. I've no idea if it burns faster or as long as pellets. I'd just be worried about it blowing about on a windy day if you've smoking outdoors.

Forgot about Johnny Trigg ribs. Used to enjoy watching him compete on BBQ Pitmasters. I'm smoking 3 racks of St. Louis style ribs tomorrow. Not foiling them because it'll be in the middle of my wife's home daycare hours and I don't want to hassle with bringing the ribs into the kitchen to foil and then bring them back outside. My goal was to try smoking unfoiled ribs this year because most BBQ pros and chefs don't do it from what I've seen on TV. on the bag instead of the blended

Don't get me started on Wally World...
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The 12" AMNTS works great.  I will buy pellets from Todd but have a local Country Hearth and Home shop that has the 1lb. bags of BBQ'ers Delight (100% wood that's on the bag instead of the blended fuel and flavor.)  Traeger and other pellet manufacturers are 2/3 Alder or White oak wood for heat and low ash and 1/3 the smoke flavor wood on the bag or flavor oil.  Todd's is 100% wood on the bag.  The local shop may be phasing it out plus I owe Todd for last years giveaway.  The  pellets catch fire in 10 seconds with a torch and need to burn for a minute or so before blowing out the flame.  Then it needs to smolder and develop coals for up to 10 minutes before placing in the smoker.  Instructions come with the smokers and you can look it up on his site.  The saw dust seems to be easier to light and probably stays lit with lower maintenance.  Once the saw dust is in the smoker it should be fine from blowing around from the wind.  Other SMF members can give better insight on how long saw dust burns.  Pellets seem to be less of a hassle/mess and can be microwaved to remove moisture if left open to humidity.  As far as trying butcher's paper vs. foil, I don't need 900ft. of it at $20+.  I think I'll wrap a brisket in parchment paper when it hits the stall then wrap it in newspaper to see if it helps keep the bark crispy. 

-Kurt
 
 
Did you mean Steven Raichlen's Barbecue Bible website? If so, I have about 4-5 of his books, including the Bible, and I download recipes he may not have published there. I also have a still-unwatched DVD set from one of his PBS series. I'll take a look at that brining recipe.

Darn right it WILL be Christmas in April (or early May) when you get your MES. I'm taking mine out today to smoke 3 racks of St. Louis ribs! I'm all excited right now. Food porn indeed.
I got his How to Grill book in 2001 for Xmas.  If you have that book, the Mediterranean Herb Rub in the back of the book is the bomb.  This is the link to the thread I made last year with this rub.http://www.smokingmeatforums.com/t/166791/mediterranean-spare-ribs  
 
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Did you mean Steven Raichlen's Barbecue Bible website? If so, I have about 4-5 of his books, including the Bible, and I download recipes he may not have published there. I also have a still-unwatched DVD set from one of his PBS series. I'll take a look at that brining recipe.

Darn right it WILL be Christmas in April (or early May) when you get your MES. I'm taking mine out today to smoke 3 racks of St. Louis ribs! I'm all excited right now. Food porn indeed.

Nice catch! That is exactly who I was referring to! http://barbecuebible.com/2013/11/27/boston-butt-basics-part-2/
That is the link that should get you were I got it online. I didn't know he has his own PBS specail! Yet another guy I don't know to much about. I must be really out of the loop!

What do you mean when I get my MES? That is a Masterbuilt Electric Smoker right?
I have a MasterBuilt 2 door duel fuel smoker right now, I'm starting to have a love/hate relationship with it now!

Can't wait for the ribs!! I hope there will be Q! I'll get the drinks...... but just the cheap stuff!!
 
Those are nice looking ribs Dr K!! That is an unusual rub for ribs, I'm inclined to try it!
My mom's mouth can't handle tangy spicy seasoning so I'll make 3 slabs of baby back ribs this time for Mother's day weekend.  It's something different and savory than traditional BBQ rub.

-Kurt
 
My mom's mouth can't handle tangy spicy seasoning so I'll make 3 slabs of baby back ribs this time for Mother's day weekend.  It's something different and savory than traditional BBQ rub.
-Kurt

The Mrs will sure appreciate that, she yelled at me the last time I did ribs, told me to watch the spice. She thinks salt is hot! OK not really but you get my point! That rub does sound good, and it looked good on those ribs, I think that might be my next rib smoke!
 
 
The 12" AMNTS works great.  I will buy pellets from Todd but have a local Country Hearth and Home shop that has the 1lb. bags of BBQ'ers Delight (100% wood that's on the bag instead of the blended fuel and flavor.)  Traeger and other pellet manufacturers are 2/3 Alder or White oak wood for heat and low ash and 1/3 the smoke flavor wood on the bag or flavor oil.  Todd's is 100% wood on the bag.  The local shop may be phasing it out plus I owe Todd for last years giveaway.  The  pellets catch fire in 10 seconds with a torch and need to burn for a minute or so before blowing out the flame.  Then it needs to smolder and develop coals for up to 10 minutes before placing in the smoker.  Instructions come with the smokers and you can look it up on his site.  The saw dust seems to be easier to light and probably stays lit with lower maintenance.  Once the saw dust is in the smoker it should be fine from blowing around from the wind.  Other SMF members can give better insight on how long saw dust burns.  Pellets seem to be less of a hassle/mess and can be microwaved to remove moisture if left open to humidity.  As far as trying butcher's paper vs. foil, I don't need 900ft. of it at $20+.  I think I'll wrap a brisket in parchment paper when it hits the stall then wrap it in newspaper to see if it helps keep the bark crispy. 

-Kurt
You won a Todd giveaway? Fie on you, sir! Been on SMF for over two years and I've never won a giveaway. But since I've no hard feelings and a big heart I still buy wood pellets from Todd even though I could source them locally. Besides the quality, here's another reason: know how many guys advise nuking wood pellets since they're said to absorb moisture? Today I used oak and hickory pellets I bought from Todd that are anywhere from 6 months to over a year old. Fired them up in the AMNPS using gelled alcohol as an accelerant and they're still going strong about 3 hours later. That's why I'm such a minimalist when it comes to smoking. I eschew the mailbox mods, the nuking, all kinds of stuff because I've never needed to do any of that to get the great results I get every time I use my MES 30 Gen 1.
 
 
I got his How to Grill book in 2001 for Xmas.  If you have that book, the Mediterranean Herb Rub in the back of the book is the bomb.  This is the link to the thread I made last year with this rub.http://www.smokingmeatforums.com/t/166791/mediterranean-spare-ribs  
I've got that one, Barbecue Bible, Planet Barbecue, and Barbecue Bible: Sauces, Rubs and Marinades. I've really got WAY too many grilling books and cooking magazines. I have to believe in reincarnation because that's the only way I've ever going to barbecue and grill everything I want to get to. Raichlen's basic bbq rub and his Kansas City Sweet & Smoky rub have been my standbys. I've also made one of his BBQ sauces--or was it from Smoke & Spice? After almost 3 years I'm getting my sources mixed up.

Today my smoke with my MES 30 Gen 1 is almost textbook. The temps begun to creep too far above my original set point but when I lower it the temp goes down too far. Looking for the sweet spot where it will hover around where I want it. But the thing is I haven't had the huge fluctuations I've experienced before. Maybe having a bunch of meat inside at one time acts like a heat sink?
 
You won a Todd giveaway? Fie on you, sir! Been on SMF for over two years and I've never won a giveaway. But since I've no hard feelings and a big heart I still buy wood pellets from Todd even though I could source them locally. Besides the quality, here's another reason: know how many guys advise nuking wood pellets since they're said to absorb moisture? Today I used oak and hickory pellets I bought from Todd that are anywhere from 6 months to over a year old. Fired them up in the AMNPS using gelled alcohol as an accelerant and they're still going strong about 3 hours later. That's why I'm such a minimalist when it comes to smoking. I eschew the mailbox mods, the nuking, all kinds of stuff because I've never needed to do any of that to get the great results I get every time I use my MES 30 Gen 1.

I've been here for about a year and I've won twice! [emoji]128526[/emoji]

I'm hoping for a three-peat in his next contest...
 
Nice catch! That is exactly who I was referring to! http://barbecuebible.com/2013/11/27/boston-butt-basics-part-2/
That is the link that should get you were I got it online. I didn't know he has his own PBS specail! Yet another guy I don't know to much about. I must be really out of the loop!

What do you mean when I get my MES? That is a Masterbuilt Electric Smoker right?
I have a MasterBuilt 2 door duel fuel smoker right now, I'm starting to have a love/hate relationship with it now!

Can't wait for the ribs!! I hope there will be Q! I'll get the drinks...... but just the cheap stuff!!
Miersc77, if you're going to join our club you must learn the lingo! Yes, MES stands for Masterbuilt...blah blah blah. Just a faster way to type it. That site has been in my Favorites since last year. Whenever he posts a recipe and it's from Planet Barbecue or the Bible book I smirk with satisfaction because I've already got it.

Costco had ONE lonely copy of that DVD set so I snagged it. They've never carried it again. It was meant to be.

The MES is a different animal than the dual fuel smoker. Remember, I have a MES 30 Gen 1 and using it is as easy as pie (when using the AMNPS). I've got 3 racks of St. Louis ribs in there today. I'm not going to foil them so all I'm doing is tracking the inside temps with my ET-733. I've got the probes on two separate grates on each side of the smoker to test the temp differences. As Bearcarver has said, the right side is hotter than the left side but the gap between the two temps varies. As the day goes on and since it's been a sunny warm day I have to readjust my set point to keep the controller temp where I want it. But for the most part there have been no huge temp fluctuations--no more than maybe 2-3° once the controller stabilizes. This is one of the easiest smokes I've ever enjoyed.
 
 
You won a Todd giveaway? Fie on you, sir! Been on SMF for over two years and I've never won a giveaway. But since I've no hard feelings and a big heart I still buy wood pellets from Todd even though I could source them locally. Besides the quality, here's another reason: know how many guys advise nuking wood pellets since they're said to absorb moisture? Today I used oak and hickory pellets I bought from Todd that are anywhere from 6 months to over a year old. Fired them up in the AMNPS using gelled alcohol as an accelerant and they're still going strong about 3 hours later. That's why I'm such a minimalist when it comes to smoking. I eschew the mailbox mods, the nuking, all kinds of stuff because I've never needed to do any of that to get the great results I get every time I use my MES 30 Gen 1.
I helped my buddy with the quick set up on his MES 30 last summer.  He's never smoked anything before and still has yet to fire it up!?  Now that's one patient man.  He's a retired Electrical Engineer and wants to run electricity to his deck where he wants to permanently keep it.  I told him all about SMF and A-maze-n products for smoke generators instead of using the chip loader.  He'll get to it one day.  I keep telling him to at least heat it up or season it to make sure there are no issues.
 
 
I've got that one, Barbecue Bible, Planet Barbecue, and Barbecue Bible: Sauces, Rubs and Marinades. I've really got WAY too many grilling books and cooking magazines. I have to believe in reincarnation because that's the only way I've ever going to barbecue and grill everything I want to get to. Raichlen's basic bbq rub and his Kansas City Sweet & Smoky rub have been my standbys. I've also made one of his BBQ sauces--or was it from Smoke & Spice? After almost 3 years I'm getting my sources mixed up.

Today my smoke with my MES 30 Gen 1 is almost textbook. The temps begun to creep too far above my original set point but when I lower it the temp goes down too far. Looking for the sweet spot where it will hover around where I want it. But the thing is I haven't had the huge fluctuations I've experienced before. Maybe having a bunch of meat inside at one time acts like a heat sink?
You'll have to let us know how those three racks of spares w/o foil worked out for you today.
 
I've been here for about a year and I've won twice! [emoji]128526[/emoji]

I'm hoping for a three-peat in his next contest...
 
I helped my buddy with the quick set up on his MES 30 last summer.  He's never smoked anything before and still has yet to fire it up!?  Now that's one patient man.  He's a retired Electrical Engineer and wants to run electricity to his deck where he wants to permanently keep it.  I told him all about SMF and A-maze-n products for smoke generators instead of using the chip loader.  He'll get to it one day.  I keep telling him to at least heat it up or season it to make sure there are no issues.
I'm not sure if I'd call that patience. I think it's more procrastination.
 
 
You'll have to let us know how those three racks of spares w/o foil worked out for you today.
I will. If they're done before 8 pm you'll see Qview. If after 8 pm you might see a photo of my wife braining me with a burning AMNPS. She doesn't like to eat late...
 
I've been here for about a year and I've won twice! [emoji]128526[/emoji]

I'm hoping for a three-peat in his next contest...
Thank God Todd had that second drawing in the afternoon that Saturday.  That was a sweet grand prize he had for the final drawing.
 
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