Basic Pulled Pork Smoke

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Ive used mesquite on pork butts and it came out fine; it just got a much stronger smoke flavor. I feel mesquite has a very strong almost harsh (some say almost bitter) flavor that pairs much better with beef...
If you've used it and like it for all means go for it.
If you haven't used mesquite before I'd use it sparingly at first until you decide if you.like the flavor it imparts. Personally I prefer a milder wood like apple cherry pecan or even maple for pork chicken and fish reserving hickory mesquite and post oak for large pieces of beef like brisket that handle strong smoke flavors much better, but I know guys who use nothing but mesquite and hickory period...to each his own.

Walt
 
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Yes, indeed! One of the best and useful threads around. Thumbs Up

Mine's been in the smoker for about 15 hours now and still have a few more to go. Low and slow, baby... :grilling_smilie: Using Pitmaster's Choice this time.
 
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Ok, I got to Page 11 but I had to stop reading as its simply too much to read in one night and it would be easier just to ask the questions I have concerns with vice reading 37 pages hoping that someone else asked the same things.

Let me caveat by saying that I've never EVER smoked a day in my life, and this will be my first attempt at testing out my new 18.5" WSM (Weber Smokey Mountain).

So today I bought a 18.35lb boneless Pork Shoulder from COSTCO (that was a bad idea I've come to learn) and have a few questions for the experts here.

1.  If my math is correct, 18.35lbs of pork will yield 72 servings right (1/4lb per person)?  With that, how much of that 18.35lbs is cooked down in FAT?

2.  If my math is correct, 18.35lbs of pork "as a single piece" would take 27.5 hrs to cook (in a perfect world with no plateaus).  If I cut the shoulder in half, and cook the two half together on the two different grates, is the cooking time still the same, or is it reduced to half (13.7 hrs total for both pieces since I cut the shoulder in half) - its a dumb question, but at least I had the balls to ask it, lol.

3.  Would it make more sense to vacuum seal the other half of the shoulder (uncooked) and freeze it for another BBQ event or should I cook both and vacuum seal the 2nd portion of shoulder (I don't need this much meat and screwed the pooch and got way too big of a piece of meat - live and learn).

4.  Will a single basket of charcoal filled to the brim be enough to do a 13.7hr cook or will I need to add charcoal (Of note, I'll be using a CyberQ BBQ Guru)

5.  How many hickory chunks will I need to use initially when getting it to temperature, and how many more pieces should I add during the 13.7hrs it will take to cook?

6.  Aside from getting the WSM up to temperature (225-240), how long should I wait before putting the pork shoulder on?  I keep seeing discussions about blue smoke vice white smoke (white smoke being bad)....how obvious is the white from blue, is it easy to discern to the naked eye and if so, how long does it take before you start to see blue smoke so you can put the pork on the smoker?

7.  If I decide to cut this shoulder into 1/3 portions, is there a right or wrong way to cut it into portions?

I'll have more questions, but these are the ones causing me immediate concern as my plan is to have food ready on Sunday (this Sunday) by 12pm for roughly 10-12 people.
 
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Ok...
In response to your first question...
Yes, if you cut the shoulder in half, in a perfect world you'll cut your cook time in half
As far as how much to smoke...
I've always been of the opinion that a full smoker makes more sense...it doesn't take any longer to smoke and smoked pulled pork freezes and reheats very well and you'll spend far less time and use far less charcoal...a full smoker is a happy smoker.
As far as fuel consumption goes
That depends on your lighting technique. If you use a propane torch to light your charcoal in the smoker then it'll be close.
I can get over 10 hours on one full basket but usually not more than 12 at temps of around 250° F
If you light your charcoal using a chimney style charcoal starter and the minion method of pouring alot of unlit coals in your smoker and adding the lit coals to the unlit I usually get about 8 hours of burn time.
So to use the side light technique with a torch...
First fill your bowl as full as you can get it next add the center barrel section (just like you were getting ready to smoke)
Make sure one of the holes in your charcoal ring is aligned with one of the side/bottom vents so you can stick a lit torch through the vent hole and reach the unlit charcoal.
Wrap your water pan in a couple layers of foil...it'll make clean up way easier (you'll see)
If your using water in the water pan position the EMPTY PAN in the smoker and add water by pouring it into the pan from a pitcher or gallon jug...it's WAY TO EASY to spill a pan of water on your charcoal trying to put a filled pan in the smoker.
Most of us don't use water in the pan...the water serves no purpose other than to act as a heat sink...we use sand, lava rock, gravel...I've even just used a few baseball sized stones
The purpose is to have something to get hot and help hold and regulate the heat...
Once this is done put your thermometer in the smoker and close the lid.
Open ALL the vents FULLY (top and bottom)
Light your torch and stick it in the aligned vent hole and light the charcoal...I usually light it in two places through two different bottom vents.
It will take about 5-7 minutes (maybe 10) in each location you light to get a 6-8 of the coals well lit.
Smoke wood...I use chunks and add them through the door of the smoker after it's lit.
I add about 4 fist size chunks one on each location I lit coals (usually two places) and the other two pieces on unlit coals as far apart as I can get them...these will light as the coal does and provide smoke for a longer period of time...I add a chunk as needed to have consistent light smoke for 4-5 hours...sometimes the original 4 are enough, sometimes it requires adding 1-3 more depending on the size of your chunks and how windy it is (longevity of the chunks depends n air flow; air flow is effected by wind)
Once your coals are lit and wood is added monitor your temp and when it reaches about 10-15 degrees HOTTER than your target temp pop the lid and add your meat...one piece per shelf and put the lid back on...
After about 15 minutes the temp should start to recover...when it does close your bottom vents about half way leaving the top wide or nearly wide open.
You'll need to adjust your bottom vents to adjust temps.
Wide open will raise the temp, more closed will lower temps.
On my 18" I find my bottom vents are usually 3/4 closed and top about 3/4 open to maintain 230-250° temps.
Don't chase the temperature trying to get it exactly right. The recommended 220-250° for low and slow are guideline approximations...260-275 even 300° spikes don't hurt ANYTHING AT ALL just as a short drops to 200 won't. Always wait at least 15 minutes after a vent adjustment before making another.
If you need to add more charcoal, add it UNLIT through the access door before all your origional coals are out...those remaining coals will light the fresh charcoal.
I usually add about 10 -15 unlit briquettes one at a time using my long BBQ tongs when about 3/4 of my origional fuel has burned up...it is common for the temp to rise, some times a lot when the door is open...don't worry and don't adjust your vents...close the door when your done adding charcoal and see where it settles in...usually the bottom vents need to be opened slightly for 15-20 minutes when unlit charcoal is added for it to get going.
Now after all that long winded stuff...this is what works for me...your results will differ but this gives you an idea anyway...
FYI I've done about 200 pounds of pork butts and shoulders this summer alone so it is with fair confidence I share this info with you.
Hope this helps you...
Good luck and have fun...
Oh...white smoke vs thin blue...
Using this technique you won't get much if any objectionable smoke...sometimes it's hard to tell white from blue...
What you want is light "wispy" smoke...
You don't want billowing thick clouds of smoke...you'll notice thicker smoke at the start and maybe if you open the access door and let in a burst of fresh air but as long as it's brief (less than 3 minutes or so) you won't have any issue.
Hope all this bla bla bla helps

Walt.
 
Ok...
In response to your first question...
Yes, if you cut the shoulder in half, in a perfect world you'll cut your cook time in half
As far as how much to smoke...
I've always been of the opinion that a full smoker makes more sense...it doesn't take any longer to smoke and smoked pulled pork freezes and reheats very well and you'll spend far less time and use far less charcoal...a full smoker is a happy smoker.
As far as fuel consumption goes
That depends on your lighting technique. If you use a propane torch to light your charcoal in the smoker then it'll be close.
I can get over 10 hours on one full basket but usually not more than 12 at temps of around 250° F
If you light your charcoal using a chimney style charcoal starter and the minion method of pouring alot of unlit coals in your smoker and adding the lit coals to the unlit I usually get about 8 hours of burn time.
So to use the side light technique with a torch...
First fill your bowl as full as you can get it next add the center barrel section (just like you were getting ready to smoke)
Make sure one of the holes in your charcoal ring is aligned with one of the side/bottom vents so you can stick a lit torch through the vent hole and reach the unlit charcoal.
Wrap your water pan in a couple layers of foil...it'll make clean up way easier (you'll see)
If your using water in the water pan position the EMPTY PAN in the smoker and add water by pouring it into the pan from a pitcher or gallon jug...it's WAY TO EASY to spill a pan of water on your charcoal trying to put a filled pan in the smoker.
Most of us don't use water in the pan...the water serves no purpose other than to act as a heat sink...we use sand, lava rock, gravel...I've even just used a few baseball sized stones
The purpose is to have something to get hot and help hold and regulate the heat...
Once this is done put your thermometer in the smoker and close the lid.
Open ALL the vents FULLY (top and bottom)
Light your torch and stick it in the aligned vent hole and light the charcoal...I usually light it in two places through two different bottom vents.
It will take about 5-7 minutes (maybe 10) in each location you light to get a 6-8 of the coals well lit.
Smoke wood...I use chunks and add them through the door of the smoker after it's lit.
I add about 4 fist size chunks one on each location I lit coals (usually two places) and the other two pieces on unlit coals as far apart as I can get them...these will light as the coal does and provide smoke for a longer period of time...I add a chunk as needed to have consistent light smoke for 4-5 hours...sometimes the original 4 are enough, sometimes it requires adding 1-3 more depending on the size of your chunks and how windy it is (longevity of the chunks depends n air flow; air flow is effected by wind)
Once your coals are lit and wood is added monitor your temp and when it reaches about 10-15 degrees HOTTER than your target temp pop the lid and add your meat...one piece per shelf and put the lid back on...
After about 15 minutes the temp should start to recover...when it does close your bottom vents about half way leaving the top wide or nearly wide open.
You'll need to adjust your bottom vents to adjust temps.
Wide open will raise the temp, more closed will lower temps.
On my 18" I find my bottom vents are usually 3/4 closed and top about 3/4 open to maintain 230-250° temps.
Don't chase the temperature trying to get it exactly right. The recommended 220-250° for low and slow are guideline approximations...260-275 even 300° spikes don't hurt ANYTHING AT ALL just as a short drops to 200 won't. Always wait at least 15 minutes after a vent adjustment before making another.
If you need to add more charcoal, add it UNLIT through the access door before all your origional coals are out...those remaining coals will light the fresh charcoal.
I usually add about 10 -15 unlit briquettes one at a time using my long BBQ tongs when about 3/4 of my origional fuel has burned up...it is common for the temp to rise, some times a lot when the door is open...don't worry and don't adjust your vents...close the door when your done adding charcoal and see where it settles in...usually the bottom vents need to be opened slightly for 15-20 minutes when unlit charcoal is added for it to get going.
Now after all that long winded stuff...this is what works for me...your results will differ but this gives you an idea anyway...
FYI I've done about 200 pounds of pork butts and shoulders this summer alone so it is with fair confidence I share this info with you.
Hope this helps you...
Good luck and have fun...
Oh...white smoke vs thin blue...
Using this technique you won't get much if any objectionable smoke...sometimes it's hard to tell white from blue...
What you want is light "wispy" smoke...
You don't want billowing thick clouds of smoke...you'll notice thicker smoke at the start and maybe if you open the access door and let in a burst of fresh air but as long as it's brief (less than 3 minutes or so) you won't have any issue.
Hope all this bla bla bla helps

Walt.
Missed the part about using the guru...side from.using the side light technique ignore what I said about vents...follow the guru instructions for vent poistioning.
Thanks for the gouge.  I'm debating on just saying F it and cooking it as one piece but then logic kicks in and says "hey dummy, you've never done this before, stop being stupid".

I guess the part I'm debating over is what's the difference between the pork shoulder and pork butt when it comes to taste, texture and flavor?  I'm assuming the pork shoulder I bought DOES NOT include the Pork Butt?
 
Correct..the shoulder and butt are two different cuts of meat.
They are both from the front quarter of the animal but the shoulder is exactly that the shoulder...the butt is the cut right next to the shoulder a little farther back on the pig.
It gets it's name "butt" from how they used to be packed.
In colonial days pork roasts were packed in wooden barrels called butts and shipped out of the Boston harbor..thus Boston butt roast or Boston butt or simply a butt.
Finished wise they're quite similar...the shoulder is a harder worked muscle so is slightly tougher with a little less fat and often reserved for hams, but smoked low and slow it renders quite tender, juicy, pulls easy enough and is hard to distinguish from a butt to most.
I'll do them sometimes if I'm doing a large quantity because often they're cheaper...FYI I often do 30 or more pounds at a time for friends or aquaintances for reunions, graduations etc where feeding a hungry bunch good BBQ on the cheap is the request.
Smoke it like a butt and it'll be fine...be aware sometimes they cook a little slower. When I do shoulders I depend on tenderness just as much (more actually) than temperature.
I stick the shoulder with a probe or skewer in several places to check tenderness when I get close to that 200° internal temp required for pulling a butt. A kebob skewer or some other similar probe should slide right into the meat like a hot knife in warm butter.
Very little to no resistance going into the meat.

Walt
 
Depending on the cook time, whether it be 1hr or 1.5hr, I'm looking at 18.5 to 27.5 hrs to cook it as one piece.  Since the shoulder meat is the same throughout the entire shoulder, I think it makes more sense to divide it into two pieces and cut down my cooking time to 9-13.5hrs depending on how long it takes to reach 205.   Whatcha think?
 
If it were me I'd whack it right in half... wouldn't hesitate or give it a second thought. Not only do you get a much shorter cook time, you get more surface area to apply rub to and to form that coveted yummy bark.

Walt
 
FYI I've done several large quantity smokes a little hotter and faster...not quite true hot and fast but at temps between 270-290° instead of the advised 220-250° and found no difference in the quality of the finished product and I'm much closer to 1 hour per pound...I've had some 10 lb butts take over 18 hours at 220-230° and never been over 1 hour per pound at the higher temps.
There are guys on this forum that swear by 320° for butts and claim 45 minutes per pound cook time...IDK I've never cooked them that hot but these guys who do are well informed trusted members of our forum.
 
 
Depending on the cook time, whether it be 1hr or 1.5hr, I'm looking at 18.5 to 27.5 hrs to cook it as one piece.  Since the shoulder meat is the same throughout the entire shoulder, I think it makes more sense to divide it into two pieces and cut down my cooking time to 9-13.5hrs depending on how long it takes to reach 205.   Whatcha think?
For bone in shoulders:  6oz, cooked pork per person for 12 people=72oz. total cooked pork and double it for bone loss and fat when pulling=144oz. of raw pork to buy/16oz. per lb.=9lbs. of total raw pork shoulder needed.  Doubling the cooked pork to get raw weight to buy also compensates for those that eat more than 6oz. some eat less and you still have to add liquid weight from the finishing juice/sauce.  So 6oz. cooked pork/person X 2=Raw pork needed.

-Kurt
 
Basic Pulled Pork Smoke

I’ve been reading a lot of posts from newer members asking questions on how to smoke a butt or picnic for pulled pork. The Mods have made this a “Sticky”.

Please feel free to add comments or additions to procedures described here that you use, like tips and tricks of the trade.

Choice of meat:

I use bone in Pork Shoulder – Boston Butt for my pulled pork. They range from 5 to 9 pounds. I find mine at Sam’s club cryo-packed with two butts per pack. Sometimes you can find them in supermarkets, or if you have a source at a meat wholesaler you can get them there. Some folks use a fresh pork picnic which is the Butt (Shoulder) and the upper front leg bone together. They are larger than the Butt alone.

Preparation:

About 12 hours before the meat goes in the smoker, trim a little if desired (I usually don’t), apply a coating of your rub of choice, and wrap in plastic wrap and put it in the fridge. (Some folks put on a coat of yellow mustard before the rub to hold the rub on and add to the bark. The mustard taste cooks out. This is a matter of personal preference.)

Smoking:

I can’t give instructions for each type of smoker, as I have experience only with mine. (GOSM and CharGriller w/ SFB) Check the forums for that info.

Start your smoker and get it up to 225-240 degrees F. My personal wood choice for pork is hickory. Unwrap the meat, stick in the probe of your digital thermo (A highly recommended accessory.), and place the meat in the smoker, fat side down. I don't flip butts as it interferes with bark formation. Fat side down helps protect the meat if you have a temp spike. After the meat gets over 100F I spray it every hour with a 3 to 1 mix of apple juice and Captain Morgan’s Original spiced rum. I have used bourbon instead of rum, but my family prefers the taste of the rum spray. The sugars in the juice and booze will caramelize, and add to the bark. (Bark - dark outer crust that develop as the meat cooks.) Others will make good suggestions for alternate sprays. You will develop your own favorite with a little experimentation. (The nice thing is that they all taste good!)

Foiling:

When the meat gets to about 165F, double wrap it in Heavy Duty aluminum foil. Put some of your spray of choice in the foil to help braise the meat. At this point I usually stop making smoke unless there are other things in the smoker that need the smoke. (You can finish cooking from this point on in the oven set at 250F if the weather changes or you want to save smoker fuel.) Continue to cook until the internal meat temps gets to 195-205F. Remove the foiled meat from the cooker and wrap it (still foiled) in a couple old bath towels and put it in an insulated cooler to rest for at least an hour before you pull it.

The Plateau:

Almost all butts (and briskets – but that’s in the beef forum) will hit a plateau where the temps of the meat stops rising. Don’t be tempted to raise the heat as that will dry out the meat. The meat is absorbing a lot of heat at this point while the connective tissue is breaking down. This is what makes the meat tender. Low and slow is the way to go! I’ve seen some actually drop in temp by a couple degrees. Patience – it may be over an hour before the temp starts climbing.

Pulling:

There are several choices here, some folks use two forks, there is a tool called bear claws, Dutch puts hunks of it in his Mixmaster with the dough blade to pull. I use my hands. I un-foil the meat, the bone usually falls out on it’s own, and I break it apart in to big pieces that I let cool for a few minutes. I then go through each piece and pull out the extra gunk (technical term for fat and connective tissue) and shred by hand.

Sauce:

I serve my pulled pork with my sauce(s) of choice on the side. I will add some of SoFlaQuers finishing sauce (another sticky here in the pork forum) to the pork just after I’ve shredded it. My personal favorite way to eat it is on a cheap white bun (CWB) with a little BBQ slaw right on the pork in the sandwich.

Time of smoke:

The general rule of thumb is that it will take about 1.5 hours of cooking at 225-240F per pound. Keep in mind that this is just a guideline as each piece of meat is different. Go by temp not time to know when it's done. Someone here said, "The meat will be done in it's own good time." I once had two 8 pound butts finish an hour apart in time. Give yourself extra time, you can always keep it wrapped in the cooler a little bit longer before you have to serve. It's hard to rush a piece of meat if it does not want to be rushed.

Hope this helps!!

Forum members, please chime in, I’m sure I’ve forgotten something!!

Take care, have fun, and do good,

Regards,

Meowey


This was my third attempt at smoking anything...Did a Brisket and Salmon previously, and the recipe was fantastic. Took longer than I thought for a 5 1/2 pound Boston Butt (13 hours), but well worth it. Thanks for the recipe!
 
Correct..the shoulder and butt are two different cuts of meat.
They are both from the front quarter of the animal but the shoulder is exactly that the shoulder...the butt is the cut right next to the shoulder a little farther back on the pig.
It gets it's name "butt" from how they used to be packed.
In colonial days pork roasts were packed in wooden barrels called butts and shipped out of the Boston harbor..thus Boston butt roast or Boston butt or simply a butt.
Finished wise they're quite similar...the shoulder is a harder worked muscle so is slightly tougher with a little less fat and often reserved for hams, but smoked low and slow it renders quite tender, juicy, pulls easy enough and is hard to distinguish from a butt to most.
I'll do them sometimes if I'm doing a large quantity because often they're cheaper...FYI I often do 30 or more pounds at a time for friends or aquaintances for reunions, graduations etc where feeding a hungry bunch good BBQ on the cheap is the request.
Smoke it like a butt and it'll be fine...be aware sometimes they cook a little slower. When I do shoulders I depend on tenderness just as much (more actually) than temperature.
I stick the shoulder with a probe or skewer in several places to check tenderness when I get close to that 200° internal temp required for pulling a butt. A kebob skewer or some other similar probe should slide right into the meat like a hot knife in warm butter.
Very little to no resistance going into
Walt

Side note: Why is this cut sometimes called “pork butt” when it doesn’t come from the actual rear end? “The word butt has its roots in old English, which is a quasi Germanic language, and butt means ‘the widest part,’” says Mylan. “On a pig, the widest part is the shoulder, not its actual ass. And that’s why it’s called the butt.”.




PORK SHOULDER, or PORK BUTT
Starting from the front of the pig: Pork shoulder (also called pork butt or “Boston butt”) is generally sold as a 5 to 10 pound boneless roast at the grocery store. (Pork shoulder chops are sold with bones, but those are less common.)

https://modernfarmer.com/2014/03/pork-101/
 
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Foiling:

When the meat gets to about 165F, double wrap it in Heavy Duty aluminum foil. Put some of your spray of choice in the foil to help braise the meat. At this point I usually stop making smoke unless there are other things in the smoker that need the smoke. (You can finish cooking from this point on in the oven set at 250F if the weather changes or you want to save smoker fuel.) Continue to cook until the internal meat temps gets to 195-205F. Remove the foiled meat from the cooker and wrap it (still foiled) in a couple old bath towels and put it in an insulated cooler to rest for at least an hour before you pull it.

What's the purpose of pulling the meat from the smoker at 165 and then foiling? Also, aside from not burning charcoal and hickory, what is the advantage of putting it in the oven vice leaving it on the smoker?

I used this method the first time I smoked but for the life of me I can't remember if I removed, foiled it, and put it back on the smoker. TIA for the info.
 
What's the purpose of pulling the meat from the smoker at 165 and then foiling? Also, aside from not burning charcoal and hickory, what is the advantage of putting it in the oven vice leaving it on the smoker?

I used this method the first time I smoked but for the life of me I can't remember if I removed, foiled it, and put it back on the smoker. TIA for
FOILING...when.large pieces of meat reach a certain point, usually around 160°F they start to evaporate a lot of moisture through the surface...this evaporation causes a slowdown in rising meat temp...much like a person sweating cools the body, the evaporation will slow the cooking process by cooling the surface of the meat a bit...
This is called the stall and it can take hours sometimes for enough moisture is driven.pug of the meat for the temp to Bevin to rise. By wrapping the meat in foil.you eliminate that evaporative cooling, shortening your cook time...
The only thing I personally fond objectionable to FOILING is you sacrifice that nice bark...it steams and gets soft when wrapped.
As far as finishing in the oven vs the smoker, if you foil there is no difference. The advantage to the oven is you can easily bump.the temp a little to speed things along.
And as you said, you save smoker fuel.
Walt
 
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