AMNPS placement in MES30

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Greg,

The biggest thing is getting it lit real good before putting it in. Sometimes takes 20 minutes of off & on attention.

Below is a good link for you to check out.

The Video is real good, and my comment is #2 on that thread.

http://www.smokingmeatforums.com/t/140859/how-i-light-my-amnps-w-video-link

Bear
Thank you, sir.  Makes perfect sense.  Your narration in the video says that a heat gun is not necessary, just a lot of air.  I read several fellas just blowing on the coals.  I suppose a hair dryer is sufficient as well.  

Thanks again.

Greg
 
 
Thank you, sir.  Makes perfect sense.  Your narration in the video says that a heat gun is not necessary, just a lot of air.  I read several fellas just blowing on the coals.  I suppose a hair dryer is sufficient as well.  

Thanks again.

Greg
I can't take credit for the video----That is from "ScooterMagoo", and it is a Great video!!

My way is in post #2, which is a good exercise for my bad lungs!!!! I'm one of those fellas!!

Bear
 
 
Got a question that sort of goes with this. When placing the AMNPS  when lit do you position the burning end to the front of the MES or the back? Does it matter?
I also position the burning end in the back. I just feel that with the hot spot below the top vent and the air coming in from the wood chip loader there's greater airflow in the rear which will keep the AMNPS lit. It's been working for me.
 
Here's another experiment I wanted to throw out here for opinion.  Since I was having so much trouble getting and keeping the AMNPS started, I suspected airflow was the issue.  Somewhat like daRicksta with the position change, I tried a location change to improve the airflow TO the AMNPS.  Instead of the rods to the left of the firebox, I placed the pellet tray right on top of the firebox.  My thought was, now there's 360 degree airflow.

Result?  It did work, smoke was improved, the pellets burned faster, but...the heat also spiked which made for some extra effort at managing the internal temp.

Conclusion is that if the pellets get off to a good start, the left-of-firebox location is just fine.  I will next time give the daRicksta tray swap a try though.

Greg
 
 
Here's another experiment I wanted to throw out here for opinion.  Since I was having so much trouble getting and keeping the AMNPS started, I suspected airflow was the issue.  Somewhat like daRicksta with the position change, I tried a location change to improve the airflow TO the AMNPS.  Instead of the rods to the left of the firebox, I placed the pellet tray right on top of the firebox.  My thought was, now there's 360 degree airflow.

Result?  It did work, smoke was improved, the pellets burned faster, but...the heat also spiked which made for some extra effort at managing the internal temp.

Conclusion is that if the pellets get off to a good start, the left-of-firebox location is just fine.  I will next time give the daRicksta tray swap a try though.

Greg
Interesting idea, Greg. If you place it on top of the firebox does that mean you don't keep the water pan inside the smoker? There are guys that do and guys who don't. I keep the water pan inside but empty and foiled over. For my own purposes, the AMNPS works fine on the left side. It would bet in my way if I placed it on top of the heating element/wood chip box just under the rack.

Do you also tent foil over the AMNPS to protect it from drippings?
 
 
I also position the burning end in the back. I just feel that with the hot spot below the top vent and the air coming in from the wood chip loader there's greater airflow in the rear which will keep the AMNPS lit. It's been working for me.
I did a little test last night when I made a small meatloaf. It did look like I was getting better airflow when I put it in with the burning part to the back. Took right off.
 
 
Interesting idea, Greg. If you place it on top of the firebox does that mean you don't keep the water pan inside the smoker? There are guys that do and guys who don't. I keep the water pan inside but empty and foiled over. For my own purposes, the AMNPS works fine on the left side. It would bet in my way if I placed it on top of the heating element/wood chip box just under the rack.

Do you also tent foil over the AMNPS to protect it from drippings?
I don't use water in my pan (from Todd Johnson's suggestion) but I do use it sometimes as a foiled drippings catch.  And yes, I use pellet tray protection of some kind (foil tent or a pan if drippings are desired).  

In putting the pellet tray on top of the element box, one downside for sure is the loss of cooking space.  It worked with the ribs and the butt I smoked.

I've got another pulled pork dinner coming up here soon so I'll give the tray flip to the back a try.
 
 
I don't use water in my pan (from Todd Johnson's suggestion) but I do use it sometimes as a foiled drippings catch.  And yes, I use pellet tray protection of some kind (foil tent or a pan if drippings are desired).  

In putting the pellet tray on top of the element box, one downside for sure is the loss of cooking space.  It worked with the ribs and the butt I smoked.

I've got another pulled pork dinner coming up here soon so I'll give the tray flip to the back a try.
I never use the bottom rack because that's where I place the foiled over water pan. Since I typically cook for only 2-3 people, I remove the top rack and place whatever I'm smoking on the 2nd rack and if necessary the 3rd rack. Only time I use all 3 top racks is when I'm smoking a passel of cheeses, or we've got company and I need to smoke at least 3 racks of ribs.

Since I don't typically don't use the top rack I clip the Maverick's Barbecue probe to the 2nd rack on the right side. I'm going to play with leaving the 1st rack in the smoker and moving the BBQ temp around to look for variances in the temp displays.
 
 
I did a little test last night when I made a small meatloaf. It did look like I was getting better airflow when I put it in with the burning part to the back. Took right off.
Cool. It's good to know I was right and that it worked for you.
 
 
I don't use water in my pan (from Todd Johnson's suggestion) but I do use it sometimes as a foiled drippings catch.  And yes, I use pellet tray protection of some kind (foil tent or a pan if drippings are desired).  

In putting the pellet tray on top of the element box, one downside for sure is the loss of cooking space.  It worked with the ribs and the butt I smoked.

I've got another pulled pork dinner coming up here soon so I'll give the tray flip to the back a try.
I'm surprised when setting it right on the cover to the chip burner that the whole load in the AMNPS doesn't go all at once.

Bear
 
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Well, it's interesting that you mentioned that, Bear. On one occasion a pellet burn did start in the middle of the tray. I assumed that it jumped the track. Could very well have been bottom heat.

Greg
 
The only time I've ever had pellets jump a row in the AMNPS so that two rows were burning at the same time is when my MES 30 shot up to 295° when the high temp limit switch was dirty and failed to control the temp. Other than that, I make sure I don't overfill the AMNPS and all's been good.
 
 
The only time I've ever had pellets jump a row in the AMNPS so that two rows were burning at the same time is when my MES 30 shot up to 295° when the high temp limit switch was dirty and failed to control the temp. Other than that, I make sure I don't overfill the AMNPS and all's been good.
The reason I know about jumping rows is with the original AMNS, once you got to about 220° smoking temp, there was a good chance it would jump & burn up.

That's why "Genius Engineer" Todd invented the AMNPS with the interior double walls.

I still use my AMNS with Sawdust for any smokes using less than 200° smoker temp.

Bear
 
 
The reason I know about jumping rows is with the original AMNS, once you got to about 220° smoking temp, there was a good chance it would jump & burn up.

That's why "Genius Engineer" Todd invented the AMNPS with the interior double walls.

I still use my AMNS with Sawdust for any smokes using less than 200° smoker temp.

Bear
I saw you post that somewhere else about using The AMNS with dust for cold smokes. Why is that? Do you feel dust burns more efficiently and easily than pellets at low temps? As I wrote, I had problems with the AMNPS going out in cold smokes but it still produced more than enough smoke. Buying the Tube just isn't a priority so I need to use the AMNPS for all my smokes.
 
 
I saw you post that somewhere else about using The AMNS with dust for cold smokes. Why is that? Do you feel dust burns more efficiently and easily than pellets at low temps? As I wrote, I had problems with the AMNPS going out in cold smokes but it still produced more than enough smoke. Buying the Tube just isn't a priority so I need to use the AMNPS for all my smokes.
An AMNS is not a Tube smoker. That is an AMNTS.

An AMNS is the original single wall that came in a 6 X 6 and a 6 X 8 units. It only works with Dust, which is what it was designed for.

The dust is easier to get smoking & stay smoking, but it is no good in an AMNS at high heat. 

The Dust is cheaper than pellets.

Bear
 
 
An AMNS is not a Tube smoker. That is an AMNTS.

An AMNS is the original single wall that came in a 6 X 6 and a 6 X 8 units. It only works with Dust, which is what it was designed for.

The dust is easier to get smoking & stay smoking, but it is no good in an AMNS at high heat. 

The Dust is cheaper than pellets.

Bear
Thanks for clarifying it since I was too lazy to check Todd's website. I guess what confused me was that Susie either has the AMNS or uses it interchangeably to refer to the Tube Smoker, hence my confusion, unless I was confused by which one she has, too.

Just checked the website. Our good friend Todd states the AMNPS can also burn dust. I prefer to stick with pellets since I've bought so many from him. I guess if I really wanted to I could smash some to smithereens and voila!--dust.

What happens to dust at high heat? Why don't you like pellets for smokes below 200°?
 
 
Thanks for clarifying it since I was too lazy to check Todd's website. I guess what confused me was that Susie either has the AMNS or uses it interchangeably to refer to the Tube Smoker, hence my confusion, unless I was confused by which one she has, too. Yeah---I'm not sure what she has either.

Just checked the website. Our good friend Todd states the AMNPS can also burn dust. I prefer to stick with pellets since I've bought so many from him. I guess if I really wanted to I could smash some to smithereens and voila!--dust. You would be crushing the more expensive to turn it into the cheaper.

What happens to dust at high heat? It ignites at a lower heat, so it can jump across a single wall.

Why don't you like pellets for smokes below 200°? Dust is cheaper because I can make my own.
Bear
 
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You would be crushing the more expensive to turn it into the cheaper. That's like the old joke about the farm woman who had two chickens, one healthy and one sick so she killed the healthy one to make chicken soup for the sick one.

Dust is cheaper because I can make my own. How do you make your own dust? Just curious. I'm a dyed in the wool--or wood--pellet guy.
 
 
You would be crushing the more expensive to turn it into the cheaper. That's like the old joke about the farm woman who had two chickens, one healthy and one sick so she killed the healthy one to make chicken soup for the sick one. LOL---I like that one & I never heard it before either!!

Dust is cheaper because I can make my own. How do you make your own dust? Just curious. I'm a dyed in the wool--or wood--pellet guy. I don't make much any more, but my Son cuts hardwoods up on my Hitachi & my DeWalt Sliding Compound Miter saws. Then you take it out of the bag before you cut bad stuff with it. That's good stuff for an AMNS. So is a Radial Saw or a Table saw while crosscutting with it. 
Bear
 
 I make dust from Todd's PIt Master pellets.  It is used mostly when smoking bacon which is in the three day range.  I normally will pulverize 1 LB. of pellets, a little at a time, which will fill the AMNPS and get in the neighborhood of a 15 - 17 hour burn which is great for those long smokes when a very light smoke is desired.  To pulverize the pellets, a yard sale blender is used.  Ezeey Peezy. 

Tom
 
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