AMNPS ... I Give UP

Discussion in 'Electric Smokers' started by brickguy221, Feb 1, 2016.

  1. brickguy221

    brickguy221 Smoking Fanatic

    lol ... hey tjones, you are correct on one thing and that is...  I am a Sooner Fan ... [​IMG]

    For whatever reason, I was a Sooner fan before I ever moved from KS to TX and then to OK in 1969

    I don't want to go to the mailbox thing unless forced to. I am going to try the Tube next time per Todd Johnson's suggestion to me today when I talked to him by Email.....( I will be 79 this month and am hearing impaired, so have to talk by emails and not by phone.)  He said to put it on bottom shelf ... back side ... I wrote him back asking if back side or if he meant left side and am awaiting on his reply.

    My pellets are stored inside of my house, I do nuke my pellets ... 2 minutes two times and have on occasion tried three times @ 2 minutes per time. Some people never nuke them and claim they have no problems, but based on all of my problems, I am skeptical about those claims.
     
  2. daricksta

    daricksta Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    I really feel for you. I've got my little MES 30 Gen 1 and the AMNPS has worked superbly for over 3 years. I only have problems keeping it lit during cold smokes. Still, I manage to get it to produce enough smoke during those cold smokes so that the end product is really, really good. I won't smoke with anything else. But then the airflow in my MES 30 Gen 1 appears to be better than that in the latest models. Bear owns a MES 40 BT 2.5 and he has no problems with the AMNPS inside it.
     
  3. brickguy221

    brickguy221 Smoking Fanatic

    I have the same MES BT 2.5 that Bear does and I have problems, so I don't know why he supposedly doesn't and I do. 

    That is why I am questioning if the 4 slabs of ribs in a rib rack on one shelf might be chocking off the upward draft. Even though I have had problems off and on with other things, it seems ribs are the worse when I do 4 slabs.

    I don't think that Bear even adjusts the chip loader. I think he simply places the Maze on the bottom shelf on left side with chip loader closed and exhaust wide open. Didn't work for me there nor anywhere else I mentioned in my original topic. 

    As I said, something strange with 2 of us having the same smoker and opposite results.

    I will be trying the tube next time as Todd feels that might do the job and to let him know if it doesn't 
     
    Last edited: Feb 2, 2016
  4. daricksta

    daricksta Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Has Bear been posting lately? I don't know anything about the newer models but Bear has owned them all and to be is the authoritative voice of experience.
     
  5. brickguy221

    brickguy221 Smoking Fanatic

    He has posted what I said on where he places his AMNPS and I "think" but not positive that he also said he leaves the chip loader closed.
     
  6. mummel

    mummel Master of the Pit

    The pic below shows where I put mine.

     
  7. mummel

    mummel Master of the Pit

    And I have about a 50-60% hit rate.

     
    Last edited: Feb 3, 2016
  8. mummel

    mummel Master of the Pit

    Chip loader position.

     
  9. brickguy221

    brickguy221 Smoking Fanatic

    I place mine in the same exact place as you and at the same height on a open wire rack so it can get air all the way around. Todd says the 2.0 and 2.5 smokers don't have good air flow. Since my problems are more severe on ribs with 4 slabs being on one shelf in a rob rack, I keep wondering if they are blocking the air flow by forcing air to go up the sides of smoker and not thru the smoker.
     
  10. brickguy221

    brickguy221 Smoking Fanatic

    That is the same exact same position I run mine.
     
  11. dockman

    dockman Smoking Fanatic

    How long does it burn before going out? I light mine and then use the heat gun or a blow dryer. Every since I started using a heat gun I have not had any problems keeping pellets lite. My problem is the pellets catching on fire after a short time. However I do have the mailbox mod. Hope you get it figured out.


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  12. mummel

    mummel Master of the Pit

    Try what I said.  Pre-heat the smoker and leave the pellets in there to get nice and hot.  They will burn better.
     
  13. daricksta

    daricksta Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Bear is a minimalist like me. Yes, he leaves the chip loader closed as well as the chip tray. We both do no more than is necessary to produce consistently good Q. Bear uses a heat baffle (or whatever he calls it) to equalize the temp between the two sides of his MES 40. I don't need to do that with my MES 30. I used to recommend inserting the AMNPS lit end first toward the back wall. I've seen done some experimenting and found that, in my smoker, it doesn't make any difference how it faces when it comes to burning pellets for hours without snuffing itself out during hot smokes. For me the AMNPS has worked well facing either way.
     
  14. mummel

    mummel Master of the Pit

    So you guys close the chip loader and the AMPS still burns?  What the heck?
     
  15. daricksta

    daricksta Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    That's right. Bear has a MES 40 BT 2.5 but I think he's owned every Gen made. My MES 30 Gen 1 works fine with everything closed (except cold smokes have been problematic). I think that Masterbuilt had a great original design and mucked it up in the attempt to be innovative and also competitive. The Gen 1 units for the most part were never broke except for some selected production runs. My understanding is that MB made good on those bad units.
     
  16. mummel

    mummel Master of the Pit

    I just dont get it.  If airflow is the MES 40 BT problem, how the heck does it work with the chip loader closed?

    Only variable left is the choice of pellet if thats the case (and obviously how you start it up).  But assuming you know what you're doing with the latter, the pellet may be the key variable here.  Cant wait to try out my PitBoss Comp blend this spring. 
     
  17. dward51

    dward51 Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Another thing to keep in mind is some pellets burn better than others.   Have you tried to sit the tray in the open air and see if a load of pellets will stay lit?  If they go out then, you know it's the pellets (but it may be a combination of pellets and pit).

    I know some flavors of wood are harder to light and keep lit than others.
     
  18. brickguy221

    brickguy221 Smoking Fanatic

    My pellets smoke good in the open air.
     
    Last edited: Feb 3, 2016
  19. redheelerdog

    redheelerdog Master of the Pit SMF Premier Member

    I have never had a problem since I drilled an air hole.

     
    Last edited: Feb 3, 2016
  20. dward51

    dward51 Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Now you know it's an airflow problem.  Just curious, but did you try the lit tea candle test in the cold smoker?  If a candle won't stay lit that's the final diagnosis you have a lack of fresh air flowing in (it may take a while for the candle to go out - just like the pellets.  The flame will need to use up all the oxygen in the cooking chamber and that's a pretty good volume for a candle).
     

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