2nd gen Masterbuilt PID questions

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I just finished running the test on the Masterbuilt. Like I mentioned in a previous post I removed the slant plate and only kept the shroud on the heater. You only did part of what I said. You didn't put the Foil Pan on the center of the bottom rack. You left the whole smoker empty so heat doesn't get any interference in rising. This was not to reduce the Temp Swing. This was to balance the Heat from left to right.[/quote]
 
Bear, the reason I didn't do the pan is I'm trying to eliminate the temp swing not eliminate hot spots. I will definitely try the pan once I figure what I'm going to change to a PID or not. Right now the PID is looking better and better. I did exactly what your temp swing post said but my swing was still 30 after 2 hrs. of running. I did bring the temp up like you said and let it settle in but still no joy with the swing. I've been smoking with charcoal on my Big Green Eggs for 13 years so I know the importance of controlling temp. The controller on your smoker and others may have tighter settings then mine. Maybe my gen 2 controller is the problem but it's definitely not user error.
 
Bear, the reason I didn't do the pan is I'm trying to eliminate the temp swing not eliminate hot spots. I will definitely try the pan once I figure what I'm going to change to a PID or not. Right now the PID is looking better and better. I did exactly what your temp swing post said but my swing was still 30 after 2 hrs. of running. I did bring the temp up like you said and let it settle in but still no joy with the swing. I've been smoking with charcoal on my Big Green Eggs for 13 years so I know the importance of controlling temp. The controller on your smoker and others may have tighter settings then mine. Maybe my gen 2 controller is the problem but it's definitely not user error.
If you follow that method I described at that link, you shouldn't have 30° swings.

Example Again:
Let's say you want a 230° smoker.
Turn it on & set it for 210°.
If it coasts to 235°, after shutting off at 210°, move your setting to 230°.
Now since it won't have to drop more than 5° before it comes on again, it won't fall far below 230, before it begins to rise again.
And then since it won't have far to go before it shuts off again at 230°, it won't coast far above 230° before it begins to fall again.

Once you understand & learn this method, you'll know where to reset your control when your initial start-up peaks out at other Temps.

The Pan isn't only for "Hot Spots";
Not putting the pan in like I said, can have an effect on the swings too, because the pan isn't there to slow the heat down on it's way up through the Smoker

Your Up Swings happen after the Heating element shuts off, and your Down Swings happen after the element comes back on.
Therefore the Swings aren't caused by the Controller.

Once you learn to turn the big swings into small swings, by using my method, you'll only have small swings, and they won't hurt anything.
I can get mine down to Swings of 2° to 8° in a very short time, unless it's Windy, and I don't have a Wind Block up.

Bear
 
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I have a similar setup masterbuilt electric smoker 1200watt element currently original. I read about the pid which I maybe moving to soon. My two questions are moving to a 1500wAtt element for better heat recovery, should be okay?? Any suggestion as to one that fits inside the same space. The other question is for my slow smoker unit that sits on the side of the smoker. I control the amount of smoke by varying with a dimmer on the slow smoker. Does any pid help control a slow smoker side unit?
 
I have a similar setup masterbuilt electric smoker 1200watt element currently original. I read about the pid which I maybe moving to soon. My two questions are moving to a 1500wAtt element for better heat recovery, should be okay?? Any suggestion as to one that fits inside the same space. The other question is for my slow smoker unit that sits on the side of the smoker. I control the amount of smoke by varying with a dimmer on the slow smoker. Does any pid help control a slow smoker side unit?


Hi there and welcome!

Q1. In theory there is nothing to stop you from putting in a 1500 watt element. Just understand that you are getting closer (12amps or more) to maxing out the breaker. So if you will need to manage how many electrical devices you have and have running on that breaker while you are smoking.
I don't have a recommendation of one that will fit BUT I can tell you that the MES positions the element towards the right side of the smoker so if you get a 1500watt element it would need to conform to the size and positioning of the MES which will likely make finding the element more difficult... not impossible but just more things you must keep in consideration.


Q2. I haven't seen a PID that "controls" a smoker generator. I HAVE seen an Auber PID that feeds power to a smoker generator (Bradley brand) but I don't believe it controls the power feed to manipulate the smoke generation.
Bradley smokers come with a side smoke generating unit that feeds wooden sawdust pucks and burns them and just keeps doing it. So I believe the Auber in this case just dumbly pumps power to that thing.
With your setup I would just run an extension cord that has 2 outlets that allows you to plug in the PID (which powers the MES) and allows you to plug in your dimmer and you are basically doing what you do today.
I'm not sure how many amps your smoke generator pulls but be sure you wouldn't be maxing out/tripping your breaker if you go the 1500w element route.

I hope this info helps and best of luck!
 
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