What is the issue with Nitrates?

roller · Oct 7, 2011

I nuk most of my bacon and I bet it does not get to 600* if 600* is a problem all the time or any of the time...I agree with Todd ! By the way didn`t you know that everything causes cancer !!! Just think about all those cemicals that hog ate before it died....Think any of those cause cancer...I have never seen in the news that anyone died from eating bacon cured with TQ...

michael ark · Oct 7, 2011

Their is no post what happened?Did someone disagree.It's back now.

michael ark · Oct 7, 2011

Who in their right mind would trust the government that does this.http://www.farmtoconsumer.org/cheese-is-serious-bemis.htm or thishttp://www.infowars.com/usda-threat...man-in-legal-possession-of-indoor-lemon-tree/or this http://www.infowars.com/a-national-response-to-two-fda-armed-raids-on-rawesome/or any of these http://www.farmtoconsumer.org/articles.htmTheir is even more if you just look.

chefrob · Oct 7, 2011

michael ark said:
Their is no post what happened?Did someone disagree.It's back now.

i think it was on another thread........"cure"

michael ark · Oct 7, 2011

No something happened 1 of bears post is M.I.A.

tjohnson · Oct 7, 2011

chefrob said:
i think it was on another thread........"cure"

Yes, it was a different thread.......

I have no dog in this fight, and don't plan on entering one....EVER!!

I personally use cure #1 or a variation of, but have used TQ in the past. I switched because I needed a lower salt form of curing, not because of what's inside a box of TQ.

As I see it, if Mortons Cure was a danger to consumers, the U.S Government would have made Mortons pull their products off the shelves by now. In addition, attorneys would be taking names and lining customers up for a class action lawsuit against Mortons. Since neither of these has happened yet, my personal opinion is that Morton's Products are safe for me and my family to use.

Many times the U.S. Government will come out with a warning, and then relax or change it later. I threw out the fish example, because fish have nobody to lobby for them in congress. The animal industry is full of lobbyist's who persuade our politicians to believe their opinions are best. It's just about as corrupt as it can be, and still be marginally legal.

Keep-In-Mind, that this is my "Personal Opinion" and "My Opinion Only". It is not based on any U.S. Government facts or statistics.

Todd

alblancher · Oct 7, 2011

Mercury was mentioned so I will use it as an example We have a serious problem with this heavy metal down here from gas well monitoring devices leaking into the waterways. Mercury is a poison that affects the nervous system and its development, much like lead poisoning. Some fresh water ponds and lakes have warnings not to eat any fish caught in the pond because of abnormally high mercury levels. Many (the majority) will have warnings to limit the consumption of certain species of fish depending on where they are in the food chain and the amount of toxin present in the soils and water column. Usually men and non-pregnant women can eat the species in question weekly. Often children and pregnant women or women hoping to have children are warned to not eat the affected fish at all.

Our population is a tremendous mix of races with different genetic makeups and differing susceptibility to outside environmental influences. IF we believe that cancers and diseases can be "turned on" by external environmental influences then it is the obligation of the USDA and Health Departments to make that information available and to make recommendations as to exposure levels. If we can reduce the chance of a baby being born with and trying to live with neurological damage by simply limiting their exposure to mercury it just seems like a no brainer to me to make and follow these recommendations. If we can reduce the possibility of a person developing cancer by following some simple rules it makes some sense to me.

Please remember that 30 years ago nitrates and nitrites where pervasive in our food supply. Foods from wine to luncheon meat where loaded with these chemicals. The direct link to cancer is still in question, but to those susceptible to these potential carcinogens their consumption can cause long term health problems.

Many of you chose to ignore the recommendations, I understand, I seldom wear a seat belt, my choice, but we all know that we are taking a risk with our health by making these decisions. I just ask that you do not try to convince other, less informed readers, that your acceptable risks should be their acceptable risk.

Al

Bearcarver · Oct 7, 2011

TJohnson said:
Yes, it was a different thread.......

I have no dog in this fight, and don't plan on entering one....EVER!!

I personally use cure #1 or a variation of, but have used TQ in the past. I switched because I needed a lower salt form of curing, not because of what's inside a box of TQ.

As I see it, if Mortons Cure was a danger to consumers, the U.S Government would have made Mortons pull their products off the shelves by now. In addition, attorneys would be taking names and lining customers up for a class action lawsuit against Mortons. Since neither of these has happened yet, my personal opinion is that Morton's Products are safe for me and my family to use.

Many times the U.S. Government will come out with a warning, and then relax or change it later. I threw out the fish example, because fish have nobody to lobby for them in congress. The animal industry is full of lobbyist's who persuade our politicians to believe their opinions are best. It's just about as corrupt as it can be, and still be marginally legal.

Keep-In-Mind, that this is my "Personal Opinion" and "My Opinion Only". It is not based on any U.S. Government facts or statistics.

Todd

I'll risk it----Exactly!

Bear

Bearcarver · Oct 7, 2011

alblancher said:
Mercury was mentioned so I will use it as an example We have a serious problem with this heavy metal down here from gas well monitoring devices leaking into the waterways. Mercury is a poison that affects the nervous system and its development, much like lead poisoning. Some fresh water ponds and lakes have warnings not to eat any fish caught in the pond because of abnormally high mercury levels. Many (the majority) will have warnings to limit the consumption of certain species of fish depending on where they are in the food chain and the amount of toxin present in the soils and water column. Usually men and non-pregnant women can eat the species in question weekly. Often children and pregnant women or women hoping to have children are warned to not eat the affected fish at all.

Our population is a tremendous mix of races with different genetic makeups and differing susceptibility to outside environmental influences. IF we believe that cancers and diseases can be "turned on" by external environmental influences then it is the obligation of the USDA and Health Departments to make that information available and to make recommendations as to exposure levels. If we can reduce the chance of a baby being born with and trying to live with neurological damage by simply limiting their exposure to mercury it just seems like a no brainer to me to make and follow these recommendations. If we can reduce the possibility of a person developing cancer by following some simple rules it makes some sense to me.

Please remember that 30 years ago nitrates and nitrites where pervasive in our food supply. Foods from wine to luncheon meat where loaded with these chemicals. The direct link to cancer is still in question, but to those susceptible to these potential carcinogens their consumption can cause long term health problems.

Many of you chose to ignore the recommendations, I understand, I seldom wear a seat belt, my choice, but we all know that we are taking a risk with our health by making these decisions. I just ask that you do not try to convince other, less informed readers, that your acceptable risks should be their acceptable risk.

Al

Another very good thread---Thanks Al !

Bear

michael ark · Oct 7, 2011

Then why do 2 people say your name in post 15&16 and your not on here till 20 or 21?

tjohnson · Oct 7, 2011

Al,

I recently watched a program, where the U.S. Government and it's experts were discussing exposure to mercury by eating fish. Since our bodies cannot dispose of many heavy metals like lead and mercury, the effects are cumulative. A child who eats contaminated fish will accumulate more mercury over his/her lifetime, than a middle age man or woman. It was eye opening to me!!

Here's my point.....

It's a "Warning" and not a "Ban"

It's up to the individual to make an educated decision, as to eat potentially hazardous fish.

I could not tell you if the amount of potentially hazardous nitrates in a slice of bacon is more or less than the naturally occurring nitrates in piece of celery. I just can't find the data that compares the two. Am I being ignorant?....No, I Honestly Just Don't Know.

Does this mean we should stop eating celery or other green vegetables?....NO!

I also believe that any unnecessary processing of food is what's causing many of the health issues we have today. It's taken a heart attack and 5 stents to finally figure out that I've been killing myself with processed foods for 47 years!!

Did your point hit home?.....YES!

TJ

fpnmf · Oct 7, 2011

alblancher said:
Many of you chose to ignore the recommendations, I understand, I seldom wear a seat belt, my choice, but we all know that we are taking a risk with our health by making these decisions. I just ask that you do not try to convince other, less informed readers, that your acceptable risks should be their acceptable risk.

Al

Gee... wearing a seat belt in La is not a choice or a recommendation...it is a law!!

http://www.ghsa.org/html/stateinfo/bystate/la.html

http://www.lsp.org/pdf/troopcseatbelt.pdf

Have a great day!!

Craig

alblancher · Oct 7, 2011

There again my choice. But I wouldn't try to convince you or anyone else not to wear your seat belt. It isn't illegal to smoke in your own home. Would you try to get someone to start smoking cigarettes or dipping or chewing stogies?

I suggest we defer to published safety guidelines when making public comments on this forum

I believe in

   the 4 hour Rule

   cooking to proper internal temperature

   following safe food handling procedures

   and using the proper cure with the proper procedure

SmokinAl · Oct 7, 2011

I think what Al said here pretty much says it all.

"I believe in

   the 4 hour Rule

   cooking to proper internal temperature

   following safe food handling procedures

   and using the proper cure with the proper procedure"

roller · Oct 7, 2011

Yes one of Bear`s post is M.I.A. !!!!!!!!!!

SmokinAl · Oct 7, 2011

UH OH Bad Bear!

michael ark · Oct 7, 2011

I personal think we have way too many laws.That they say is for your own good is B.S.I am a grown man i can make decisions for myself and live with my choices good or bad.We need to get back to the ten commandment's and the Constitution.God bless

America land of the somewhat free and home of the brave.

Bearcarver · Oct 7, 2011

Bad Bear?

You guys should know better than that by now.

Bear

fpnmf · Oct 7, 2011

There again my choice. But I wouldn't try to convince you or anyone else not to wear your seat belt. It isn't illegal to smoke in your own home. Would you try to get someone to start smoking cigarettes or dipping or chewing stogies?

I suggest we defer to published safety guidelines when making public comments on this forum

Huh???

DanMcG · Oct 7, 2011

Pyro50 said:
One thing I couldn't find (forgive me if i missed it) is the logic behind the USDA's guideline against Nitrates in bacon (or "anything fried" as someone put it).

I don't want to start the debate of one vs. the other again here, so.......JUST THE FACTS MA'AM!!!

How the hell can a simple fact based discussion turn into the same old two sided pissin match?

This get's old sometimes.

What is the issue with Nitrates?

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